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Does a Sea Monster Haunt Lake Erie's Shores?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:30 PM EDT
odd-news, monster, erie, nessie, sea-monster, crypto-zoology
By Synthesis
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Most people are aware of the Loch Ness Monster, and many have heard of Lake Okanagan's Ogopogo, but Lake Erie's own mysterious sea creature is much less well-known.

Known as South Bay Bessie, the elusive sea serpent has been widely reported on Erie's south shore over the years, in Ohio lakeside locations including Akron, Sandusky Point and Cedar Point. In Huron, Ohio, the monster is so much a part of local lore that since 1984, a life-size floating replica has been seasonally anchored in the waters off the Huron River. In Cleveland, the Great Lakes Brewing Company sells a beer called 'Lake Erie Monster Double IPA'.

On the Canadian shore, a rash of biting incidents from an unknown aquatic creature plagued the tiny beachside community of Port Dover in 2001. According to an article by Graham Marsden, editor of FishingMagic.Com, at least three persons, including Port Dover resident Brenda McCormack, a man and a child were bitten in a 24-hour period. The physician who treated the man at the time, Dr. Harold Hynscht, ruled out lamprey eels, snapping turtles, walleye, goby or muskellunge fish -- even escaped pet piranhas. Whatever it was, he said, it was "a big honking fish." Dr. Hynscht suggested the aggressive, 60 centimetre-long bowfin fish as the culprit, but couldn't be certain. Others proposed – only half-jokingly – the Lake Erie monster.

The first documented sightings of the creature occurred as far back as July 1817, when the crew of a schooner reported a 30 to 40-foot long serpent, dark in colour. Later that year, another boat crew spotted a similar animal, this time copper-coloured and 60 feet in length. This time, they shot at it with muskets, which had no visible effect.

A third 1817 incident took place near Toledo, when French settlers – two brothers named Dusseau -- encountered a huge monster on the beach, writhing in what they took to be its death throes. The brothers described it as between 20 and 30 feet in length and shaped like a large sturgeon, except that it had arms. The panicked brothers fled the scene, and when they returned later, the creature had disappeared, presumably carried off by waves after its death. All that was left of its presence were marks on the beach and a number of silver scales about the size of silver dollars.

Since then, there have been more than 15 sightings of the creature, with at least five of those occurring as late as the 1990s. The most recent event was reported from Madison Township in Lake County Ohio in 2004. Most of the accounts are similar, describing a snakelike body, 30 to 40 feet in length, dark in colour and swimming with a wavy motion. Some witnesses say the serpent has "humps".

Interestingly, there may be evidence describing the serpent's presence from long before the first recorded sighting. The Seneca Indians, natives of the area of Niagara Falls, tell a legend of the Good Spirit and the Evil Spirit. In this legend, the Evil Spirit "controlled a huge Water Serpent that lived in the Niagara River and Lake Erie."

Beyond eyewitness accounts and oral history, however, little or no proof supporting Bessie's existence has surfaced. That may change, however, with the advent of the internet and the proliferation of low-cost web-cams. At least one website – MonsterTracker.Com – has set up a number of real-time internet cameras strung across a number of strategic sites on Erie's shore, from Wainfleet, Ontario in the east to Kelly's Island, Ohio, in the west.

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dar721

Interesting. I'd like to know what these sea monsters really are - surviving dinosaurs or what?

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:20 AM EDT
Synthesis

That does seem to be the prevailing theory among those who believe in them. Some kind of ichthysaur. Skeptics claim witnesses are seeing other fish. They often cite sturgeon as an example, since those fish can typically reach significant sizes and weigh more than 50 lbs.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:54 AM EDT
genevieveva

I have seen sturgeon and they get extremely large. A lot bigger than me. They can hurt you if they jump out of the water (which is rare) but they do not bite. They do not move like an eel either. It seems like all the deep lakes have something strange in them. Especially if they have caves interconnecting them to other lakes. I don't know what people are seeing.

I know in the area where I live, there is a creature that has been video taped by the local residence. The people in that area have decided to keep it a secrete to protect where ever is living there. Recently, they finally let a team come in, showed them their video, and let them try to find the creature to see exactly what it is. The lake is very murky, this animal comes and goes between ( ocean and fresh water inlets). Sadly, the team was not able to get close enough to see the animal. It has a Triton tail and one scientist believes it may be a seal that went extent over 90 years ago. The residents seem happy with that answer and keep the location secrete. I can not blame them but I would like to know.

I hope you get an answer. I know my father was badly bitten by an eel in that area. It does not sound like the same type of bite.

I hope someday we get an answer to all these sightings.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:22 PM EST
Synthesis

I know in the area where I live,

What general part of the country is that?

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:36 PM EST
genevieveva

Florida. They have a video and I do not know where. I think Animal planet or NG did a piece on it. One scientist kept saying it was just a manatee that was hit by a boat but there were several playing together. A boat does not make a perfect Triton tail. I will try to find the video but no promise. I do not know which coast this animal keeps showing up but when I saw the tail of the extinct seal, I pretty sure the other scientist hit it on target. The team that came in promised they would not give out any information other than it was in Florida.

  • 1 vote
#2.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:24 PM EST
Synthesis

Florida...yeah, jesus, with the cave systems there, all sorts of things could be hidden away!

  • 2 votes
#2.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:27 PM EST
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dar721

Even though sizeable I still tend to think it is something other than sturgeon. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

  • 1 vote
Reply#3 - Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:30 PM EDT
ArdithDeleted
Ryan Joseph

The brothers described it as between 20 and 30 feet in length and shaped like a large sturgeon, except that it had arms.

It had arms, eh? Sounds like Trogdor to me. :-)

Seriously, though, I don't know whether I believe these stories or not. I want to, and I think they're all fascinating, but it would just seem to me that we would have actually found something by now.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:50 AM EDT
dar721

I don't know. It does seem like we would have found something but have the depths of these waters where such sightings have occurred been fully explored?

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:39 AM EDT
Ryan Stolte-Sawa

Loch Ness has been extensively explored--I recently watched a documentary that debunked the most famous claims to proof that have surfaced in the last fifty years.

  • 1 vote
#6.1 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:26 PM EDT
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dar721

There is still some territory on earth that remains relatively unexplored. Discoveries of new species are still being made so it could be possible that there is some type of creature in those areas that hasn't been discovered yet.

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:35 PM EDT
Ryan Joseph

Very true. I still remember a documentary I saw years ago. It was a deep-sea exploration show and they had really advanced robot submarines with sonar and stuff. At one point, they got a reading of something that was the size of a football field and moving. It swam past and was gone. They had no idea what it was or even what it looked like because it went by so fast. But it was there.

Kind of freaked me out, to be honest, but it's so cool!

  • 2 votes
#7.1 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:15 PM EDT
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dar721

Wow, that's intriguing. In the Bible there is a reference to a large creature referred to as a Leviathan. Some bible scholars interpret it to mean whale but I wonder if was a reference to another type of creature. Also, I saw a photo in a book a few years ago of a carcass that had washed up on a beach somewhere. It's been quite a while so I don't remember the details. They said it was some sort of whale but even though the carcass was pretty badly decomposed it appeared to have a long neck similar to some of the sightings. Anyone remember this?

  • 1 vote
Reply#8 - Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:36 PM EDT
C Johnson29

I have never gone on websites like this before but something weird happened the other day. On oct. 30th. I just realized the date. lol ..but seriously, me and my girlfriend took my daughter to perry park to play on the playground. After we were finished it was just about sunset, we went on the hill that goes to the breakers of the lake and was looking out. To the right of us, a little ways out was a boat. And to the left of us, toward fairport harbor, we saw something a little ways out to. I guess we were both looking at it at the same time 'cuz me and my friend both looked at each other wondering what it was. At first I thought it was a boat because it was going a little fast and against current. She said no because it was sticking out of the water a little. Then, this is stupid, but I thought it was a line of ducks maybe. Obviously not. Too fast. It would swim then stop at times. Come a little closer then back out. I wish it was closer so we could have seen better. But it was a dark figure, very long, and the head was always out of the water but it kept changing shapes like the back of it was going up then under the water at times. We took a picture but it was with her camera phone and it was too far away so all u see is two black bumps in the water. This all took about 20 mins. then it was gone. So I looked up lake erie creature, ohio and found this. And my heart jumped when I saw that someone in Madison, next town over saw something in 2004. I know I wasnt seeing things because there were 2 sets of eyes seeing this..Trust me, Ill be going back to that park with binoculars.

  • 2 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Nov 1, 2006 11:26 PM EST
Synthesis

It's fascinating to hear a first-hand account, rather than just coming across eyewitness anecdotes in research. And, whatever you do DON'T DELETE OR GET RID OF THAT PICTURE. Even if it didn't turn out too well because it was far away, there are professionals out there who specialize in photo enhancement who may be able to get some useful data from your pics.

  • 4 votes
Reply#10 - Sun Nov 5, 2006 5:29 PM EST
tulips and daffidils

I can't remember exactly when sometime between 1976 and 1982 I would say. I was at Lake Erie with my son at some big rocks by the lighthouse at the Marblehead peninsula..it was a park a ways past the lighthouse where they had a bathroom and we started walking on these rocks a few blocks I think at a point. I think it may have been raining but I do recall that the waves were very choppy and sort of big.

Just then we spotted maybe 25 feet from shore (the water I think was deeper as the rock jutted out and more water was behind up sort of like the two sides of a corner and we were at the point with water in front of u and back to the left of us.

We definitely and distinctly saw the lake Erie monster. We could not believe our eyes..I said do you see that do you see that. My son now in his mid 30s has confirmed many times that he did remember it well.

It had like two big loops like one thinks of when they see this type of sea monster like a snake like loops but it seems it had triangular fins on it that stood up from the loop. I do not remember if the head was up or not (sorry it was so long ago) but

It kind of looked like these but not so fake looking and not that big lego head/neck..way bigger than a tire would be...two big loops out of the water..not like these exactly but sort of similar

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dlake%2Bsea%2Bmonster%26b%3D21%26ni%3D20%26ei%3DUTF-8%26xargs%3D0%26pstart%3D1%26fr%3Dytff1-%26fr2%3Dtab-web&w=500&h=375&imgurl=farm4.static.flickr.com%2F3482%2F3215700691_2e6338ae59.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdirtygirl%2F3215700691%2F&size=73k&name=3215700691+2e633...&p=lake+sea+monster&oid=1e1a97d96874481c&fr2=tab-web&fusr=Sick+On+Sin&no=39&tt=982&b=21&ni=20&sigr=11i7qls0l&sigi=11ms7lmlq&sigb=13q4kamtk

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I never told anyone but 2 or 3 relatives till now. But we are both 99% convinced what we saw was a sea monster. I never heard of the Lake Erie sea monster (named Bessie) ever until we saw it and then I looked it up later when I used the internet and was surprised to find others had reported seeing it too. I was afraid to swim in the lake for a long time after that but finally reasoned it would not go in the shallow water I was in but would never take a boat and risk falling in deeper water except for the big cruisers.

We watched it for some time confirming to each other that it was definitely not trash or anything like that and then it was gone, but I never forgot it. I happened to see they were trending today about some bigfoot sighting in Cleveland county in I think South Carolina and it got me thinking about this so I thought I would look it up and see what was on the internet about it and decided to tell my story which is completely true.

Now maybe it was something else but its size makes me convinced it was not It seemed like it spread across 30 or 40 feet or so maybe more..it was big and it had loops and I never forgot it.

I am thinking the stormy, windy weather might have had something to do with it being so close to shore..actually it was maybe 3 or 4 times that far from shore but we were looking at it in at a point nearer to us as we were on the corner where the front of us was the 25 foot distance and the side perpendicular front of us was the 100 foot or so..and the monster was just at a diagonal angle to the corner we stood on those rocks so we got a closer look than if we stood at the shore instead of the rocks.

Can't remember how long it was there but it seemed like a good 5 minutes or longer to me.

    Reply#11 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:02 AM EDT
    tulips and daffidils

    I can't remember exactly when sometime between 1976 and 1982 I would say. I was at Lake Erie with my son at some big rocks by the lighthouse at the Marblehead peninsula..it was a park a ways past the lighthouse where they had a bathroom and we started walking on these rocks a few blocks I think at a point. I think it may have been raining but I do recall that the waves were very choppy and sort of big.

    Just then we spotted maybe 25 feet from shore (the water I think was deeper as the rock jutted out and more water was behind up sort of like the two sides of a corner and we were at the point with water in front of u and back to the left of us.

    We definitely and distinctly saw the lake Erie monster. We could not believe our eyes..I said do you see that do you see that. My son now in his mid 30s has confirmed many times that he did remember it well.

    It had like two big loops like one thinks of when they see this type of sea monster like a snake like loops but it seems it had triangular fins on it that stood up from the loop. I do not remember if the head was up or not (sorry it was so long ago) but

    It kind of looked like these but not so fake looking and not that big lego head/neck..way bigger than a tire would be...two big loops out of the water..not like these exactly but sort of similar

    http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dlake%2Bsea%2Bmonster%26b%3D21%26ni%3D20%26ei%3DUTF-8%26xargs%3D0%26pstart%3D1%26fr%3Dytff1-%26fr2%3Dtab-web&w=500&h=375&imgurl=farm4.static.flickr.com%2F3482%2F3215700691_2e6338ae59.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdirtygirl%2F3215700691%2F&size=73k&name=3215700691+2e633...&p=lake+sea+monster&oid=1e1a97d96874481c&fr2=tab-web&fusr=Sick+On+Sin&no=39&tt=982&b=21&ni=20&sigr=11i7qls0l&sigi=11ms7lmlq&sigb=13q4kamtk

    http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dlake%2Bsea%2Bmonster%26b%3D21%26ni%3D20%26ei%3DUTF-8%26xargs%3D0%26pstart%3D1%26fr%3Dytff1-%26fr2%3Dtab-web&w=500&h=375&imgurl=farm4.static.flickr.com%2F3180%2F3076247550_126c843b54.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fpartyhare%2F3076247550%2F&size=142k&name=LEGO+Sea+Monster...&p=lake+sea+monster&oid=c517c35abd1baa14&fr2=tab-web&fusr=partyhare&no=37&tt=982&b=21&ni=20&sigr=11i4o7dfc&sigi=11meqo227&sigb=13q4kamtk

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    I never told anyone but 2 or 3 relatives till now. But we are both 99% convinced what we saw was a sea monster. I never heard of the Lake Erie sea monster (named Bessie) ever until we saw it and then I looked it up later when I used the internet and was surprised to find others had reported seeing it too. I was afraid to swim in the lake for a long time after that but finally reasoned it would not go in the shallow water I was in but would never take a boat and risk falling in deeper water except for the big cruisers.

    We watched it for some time confirming to each other that it was definitely not trash or anything like that and then it was gone, but I never forgot it. I happened to see they were trending today about some bigfoot sighting in Cleveland county in I think South Carolina and it got me thinking about this so I thought I would look it up and see what was on the internet about it and decided to tell my story which is completely true.

    Now maybe it was something else but its size makes me convinced it was not It seemed like it spread across 30 or 40 feet or so maybe more..it was big and it had loops and I never forgot it.

    I am thinking the stormy, windy weather might have had something to do with it being so close to shore..actually it was maybe 3 or 4 times that far from shore but we were looking at it in at a point nearer to us as we were on the corner where the front of us was the 25 foot distance and the side perpendicular front of us was the 100 foot or so..and the monster was just at a diagonal angle to the corner we stood on those rocks so we got a closer look than if we stood at the shore instead of the rocks.

    Can't remember how long it was there but it seemed like a good 5 minutes or longer to me.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#12 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:58 AM EDT
    tulips and daffidils

    I can't remember exactly when sometime between 1976 and 1982 I would say. I was at Lake Erie with my son at some big rocks by the lighthouse at the Marblehead peninsula..it was a park a ways past the lighthouse where they had a bathroom and we started walking on these rocks a few blocks I think at a point. I think it may have been raining but I do recall that the waves were very choppy and sort of big.

    Just then we spotted maybe 25 feet from shore (the water I think was deeper as the rock jutted out and more water was behind up sort of like the two sides of a corner and we were at the point with water in front of u and back to the left of us.

    We definitely and distinctly saw the lake Erie monster. We could not believe our eyes..I said do you see that do you see that. My son now in his mid 30s has confirmed many times that he did remember it well.

    It had like two big loops like one thinks of when they see this type of sea monster like a snake like loops but it seems it had triangular fins on it that stood up from the loop. I do not remember if the head was up or not (sorry it was so long ago) but

    It kind of looked like these but not so fake looking and not that big lego head/neck..way bigger than a tire would be...two big loops out of the water..not like these exactly but sort of similar

    http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dlake%2Bsea%2Bmonster%26b%3D21%26ni%3D20%26ei%3DUTF-8%26xargs%3D0%26pstart%3D1%26fr%3Dytff1-%26fr2%3Dtab-web&w=500&h=375&imgurl=farm4.static.flickr.com%2F3482%2F3215700691_2e6338ae59.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdirtygirl%2F3215700691%2F&size=73k&name=3215700691+2e633...&p=lake+sea+monster&oid=1e1a97d96874481c&fr2=tab-web&fusr=Sick+On+Sin&no=39&tt=982&b=21&ni=20&sigr=11i7qls0l&sigi=11ms7lmlq&sigb=13q4kamtk

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    I never told anyone but 2 or 3 relatives till now. But we are both 99% convinced what we saw was a sea monster. I never heard of the Lake Erie sea monster (named Bessie) ever until we saw it and then I looked it up later when I used the internet and was surprised to find others had reported seeing it too. I was afraid to swim in the lake for a long time after that but finally reasoned it would not go in the shallow water I was in but would never take a boat and risk falling in deeper water except for the big cruisers.

    We watched it for some time confirming to each other that it was definitely not trash or anything like that and then it was gone, but I never forgot it. I happened to see they were trending today about some bigfoot sighting in Cleveland county in I think South Carolina and it got me thinking about this so I thought I would look it up and see what was on the internet about it and decided to tell my story which is completely true.

    Now maybe it was something else but its size makes me convinced it was not It seemed like it spread across 30 or 40 feet or so maybe more..it was big and it had loops and I never forgot it.

    I am thinking the stormy, windy weather might have had something to do with it being so close to shore..actually it was maybe 3 or 4 times that far from shore but we were looking at it in at a point nearer to us as we were on the corner where the front of us was the 25 foot distance and the side perpendicular front of us was the 100 foot or so..and the monster was just at a diagonal angle to the corner we stood on those rocks so we got a closer look than if we stood at the shore instead of the rocks.

    Can't remember how long it was there but it seemed like a good 5 minutes or longer to me.

      Reply#13 - Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
      tulips and daffidils

      sorry this posted 3 times not sure how to delete the other two

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      Reply#14 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:16 PM EST
      Synthesis

      I can delete them if it's OK with you.

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      #14.1 - Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:05 PM EST
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      MinnieApolis

      I did not see this original article -- wow you have sure been on NV a long time, hey?

      a number of silver scales about the size of silver dollars

      Even one of those scales could tell us a lot about this beastie. Would be so cool if anyone saved samples that could be analyzed nowadays.

      BTW a story handed down on my Danish relatives' side is that a grand-uncle saw a sea monster while making his voyage from the Old World to the New World. He said it had a head similar to a horse's. That's all I know about it.

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      Reply#15 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:36 AM EST
      Synthesis

      you have sure been on NV a long time, hey?

      Too long to listen to the rancorous bull@!$%# that passes for dialogue around here anymore. I am about one camel-straw away from leaving again, and I've hardly had any interaction with anyone after taking a very lengthy break.

      Funny, unless I'm mistaken, this was actually my debut article.

      Would be so cool if anyone saved samples that could be analyzed nowadays.

      It's suggestive how seldom that ever happens in these cryptozoology stories, I think.

      That story is really cool, too! If only for the purposes of family mythos you should see if you can find out more info!

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      #15.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:43 PM EST
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      lamplighter

      I've fished on Lake Erie more times than I care to count and I've never seen it. Then again Erie is a huge lake.

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      Reply#16 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:07 PM EST
      Synthesis

      Huge, but shallow.....

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      #16.1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:11 PM EST
      lamplighter

      Yes, relative to the other Great Lakes it's shallow, but still deep enough to drown in.

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      #16.2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:18 PM EST
      Synthesis

      Yep. And those ever-shifting sandbars make it pretty damned hazardous to navigate.

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      #16.3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:38 PM EST
      lamplighter

      The sand bars are a nusiance and a threat as well. The lake's shallowness also makes it dangerous, the water can go from calm to choppy quickly, waves can easily build to 8 feet or more in the right conditions. I would not go out on that lake in any boat less than 20 feet.

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      #16.4 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:51 PM EST
      ombra

      The biggest recorded wave on Lake Erie was 26 feet. Out in the middle it can really get a little rough. My brother in law worked on some oil and gas rigs out there and had a few fun rides.

      I, on the other hand, had the luxury of being more cautious when I went out and my boats weren't too much bigger than 20 feet.

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      #16.5 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:45 PM EST
      Synthesis

      I got stuck on a sandbar overnight once. No sea monsters, but it was a cold and damp way to spend a good 9 hours.

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      #16.6 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:49 PM EST
      ombra

      I haven't had any overnights but enough experiences with sandbars at the St Clair river delta and a 5 foot keel.....

      It makes you keep your navigation skills up to snuff.

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      #16.7 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:57 PM EST
      lamplighter

      The biggest recorded wave on Lake Erie was 26 feet.

      Yes they can go well over 18 feet with an average gale. Eight feet is all I've ever experienced (and care to experience) on that lake.

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      #16.8 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:20 PM EST
      ombra

      Ocean people look at that 8 foot and think, that's nothing, but ocean waves are nothing like the waves on a shallow lake. The ocean has a lot of roll til it breaks, lake waves are far more frequent and breaking in peaks more often. You get beat half to death on the lake waves, all straight up and down, often in your boat length.

      My worst ride ever was on Lake St. Clair with only 5 - 6 foot waves in a 23' sailboat. Too windy and rough for me to set sail (I was solo) and I was heading into wind on the front quarter with a tiny outboard. Even tightened down the boom almost got me couple of times when I was trying to refill fuel.

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      #16.9 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:33 PM EST
      lamplighter

      Ocean people look at that 8 foot and think, that's nothing, but ocean waves are nothing like the waves on a shallow lake. The ocean has a lot of roll til it breaks, lake waves are far more frequent and breaking in peaks more often. You get beat half to death on the lake waves, all straight up and down, often in your boat length.

      Excellent point. The period of waves on the Great Lakes is very small; oceans with their longer "fetch" produce billowing, rolling waves that boats can ride over. In the Great Lakes a six to eight footer is more than enough to swamp your boat since its bow most likely will plow into the wave.

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      #16.10 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:46 PM EST
      genevieveva

      I did not know that the waves got that large on such a shallow lake. Now I understand why there have been so many deaths on the great lakes. I am impressed and this explains a lot.

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      #16.11 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:31 PM EST
      Infohack

      The biggest recorded wave on Lake Erie was 26 feet.

      I think that's partly because of it's length east to west. Gives the prevailing winds more time to build. The heaviest waves on Lake Michigan we get here on the Michigan side are when the winds are out of the northwest. I've been out in in 10-12 swells in a 30' Chris Craft. It's not that bad but there are some hairy moments when turning and taking waves abeam and at the piers where there is a lot of wave reflection.

      The night the Edmund Fitzgerald went down, there were waves up to 35 feet on Lake Superior.

      , lake waves are far more frequent and breaking in peaks more often.

      It also makes it difficult to surf Great Lakes beaches, even when similar wave heights would be adequate on ocean shores, though we spent a lot of time trying as kids. The waves are fast-moving and break quickly.

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      #16.12 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:41 AM EST
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      MinnieApolis

      The Great Lakes have killed many sailors. There was a very good book out several yrs ago about the Carl D Bradley. Title was "Fire and Ice" by Robert Wells, a long-time journalist.

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      Reply#17 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:50 PM EST
      Synthesis

      Huh. Not familiar with that one. Although, (along with everyone who's even heard of the Great Lakes), I have been a fan of Lightfoot's magnum opus since the day it was released.

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      #17.1 - Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:00 PM EST
      MinnieApolis

      The book is a VERY good read, Synth. You might browse around book sites like Goodreads.com for reviews of any book you are interested in. (Scott Butki and Angel are members and post what titles they are reading and so forth.)

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      #17.2 - Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:56 PM EST
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