Music, Symbolism, Magic and Manipulation

Are you 2 guys in love? I kid.

you may be too good for Newsvine

indeed.

You make a good point. At least in my articles when I was talking about overtones and their mathematical method I was specifically talking about western harmonic theory.

And then there's the question of the "Neanderthal flute" that was discovered in 1995, and later a mastodon "tuba" along with several other musical instruments that have been discovered. [The link is to a google search.]

Would Neanderthal man have had the intellectual and mathematical capacity to intentionally create a woodwind instrument capable of creating the musical scale? The jury is still out on that one.

There's a certain arrogance we are accustomed to, or perhaps a lack of perspective, which makes us think that "cave men" were unsophisticated. Look at the art in Lascaux... there's nothing "primitive" about it in the normal sense of the word (as art).

Western harmonic theory, as Cash says, is complex in ways Ragas and many other sorts of traditional music aren't (it has the ability to change key during a piece because the "E" in C Major is the same "E" as in A Minor), but it's also simple in ways other music isn't. Blues and jazz have tapped into some of that traditional sophistication and even extended it in places - now we're getting well outside my limited understanding of things, though.

there's nothing "primitive" about it in the normal sense of the word (as art).

I often think the same when I look at La Tène (pre-Celtic) design -- and that's even more modern than Neanderthal, but still rather astonishing, imho.

Just one last word: truly magical ritual *should* be exuberant, and engage creativity. Maybe that's why great music feels like it puts me more in touch with "god" than the church ever does.

Your mileage may vary ;)

I may be Catholic but I have instructions in my will that I get a whole group of large Baptist women singing at my funeral. They sure got that part right.

Heehee Synthesis - thanks for that visual.

My personal preference for funeral music is the New Orleans version, parade and all.

Facade is the face you put forward, very focused Pamela Drew, on such a humane cause, and substance is what's underneath. On my scales, substance is worth more in the long run.

Yet the numbers, though added, subtracted, divided and multiplied, plus more ad infinitum, are symbols that tell things. The substance of them is in and beyond the symbols -- gnostic.

Take, for a start, the vertical line 1, which points toward heaven from the linear plane of earth.

The bonesmen, and there are women among them, listen to the music they hear and march to the beats of their own drummers -- and the rest of us be damned.

But not me.

Synthesis hi and no problem on the response. I am not a regular here as yet though I am impressed with the concept and structure of Newsvine. I am an active member of Tribe.net which is thread-based providing clusters of people based on themes and not hairstyles! I find MySpace and Facebook and the like quite annoying. Being sociable ought to include a place to exchange intelligent ideas too. Imagine that?

You mention alchemy in relation to this thread which has become a very strong interest of mine recently. I was tuned into a most extraordinary book called The Dwellings of the Philosophers based (translated from the French text) the ideas of Fulcanelli (Pseudonym), a deceased Master Mason who describes both alchemy and the Gothic cathedrals from an alchemical perspective. The writing is brilliant in my opinion and touches up the very reasons that symbols are potent by examining the active ingredients of life rather than the sterile facts of conventional science. This is what has been lost over the ages. WE have become nouns and forgotten how to be verbs so to speak.

Underpinning all biological form is energy and this energy is structured on several simultaneously different scales of reality. Morphogenetic Fields persist as energy types if you will and more subtle than this is the Intrinsic Data Field (IDF) which is rather like the blueprint for physical form. Several different energy medicine modalities such as Cymatics and Rife Technology consistently show that disease exists in these data fields before it manifests in the body and the balancing of these energy fields nearly guarantees that illness and disease will have no place to proliferate. Further, these fields are structured in various geometrical patterns which can be animated by other harmonious frequencies. The source of the frequency does not matter (no pun intended), only the resonant harmony of the interacting energies. This is a response to your interest that genes may be affected by, let's say, remote stimuli, the answer is indeed yes, including the bad stuff like cell phones and television sets and junk food whose resonances are not healthy for us. Sadly, there are weapons that utilize frequencies for ill effect as well with HAARP being the most prominent example I know of (based on Tesla's achievements).

Thanks for your efforts, John Gil

Hello again Synthesis, yes, science is finally catching up with humanity and now we have forgotten our humanity! WE are often more friendly with each other when we have problems so I figure that w need to identify some real fun problems. All technology mirrors biological capability though generally with greater focus and amplification, and of course no complaining!

Rather than thinking of the body as a mechanism with replaceable parts, it is becoming increasingly understood that the eternal regeneration of biological material can be coaxed into a healthy state from a range of different modalities, some of which include inner self management and others which are remote and technological. The Asian arts incorporate a geometrical understanding of the human body within which the etheric body dwells. Technology accomplishes the same result though creates a dependency upon an external solution that diminishes transcendant wisdom.

It is my opinion that we are physical in order to resolve intellectual and emotional uncertainties whereby we can experience problems / opportunities until such time that we reunify and no longer need a physical experience to 'understand'. I am interested in subtle technologies like the symbols you describe above which carry energy and memory that can merge with the etheric body. Several years ago I would have thought this to be nonsense but the paradigm of all pervasive energy clearly suggests that like energy resonates like energy just as the dial on a radio reveals by tuning into a particular frequency and ignoring the rest. We know this intuitively but remain dependent on what our physical senses seem to be telling us.

It is frustrating when you approach this door and begin to see how easy life can be, and how peaceful, only to realize that the lack of inner unity requires that more time be spent investigating specific branches of knowledge to locate additional lessons. We are eternal but the physical experience to a great extent is a choice. There is great power in understanding this, as well, we will eventually accept the responsibility that our relationship to our knowledge and identity is the same as our relationship to our existence here on Earth. We are Co-creators and all of the knowledge we have mirrors this grand model. The current Green / Recycling movement is one step closer to a mass understanding of the eternal and cyclical (non linear) Nature of things for example. Gore promotes the trend and is rewarded despite his many lies about the subject.