Unmasking the Antichrist: Newsvine Investigates a New World Order Internet Hoax

You know, Synth, we've talked about the similarity in the way our minds work, but we never have discussed the 'gut' feelings that are an integral part of that process. My take here is that this guy also has a knack for making connections and seeking patterns but his intuition ('gut') is clouded by a willingness to believe that you and I don't consider logical. I enjoy a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone else. The difference is, I require a consistency in the proof that the majority of these Illuminati theories fails to provide. I would love to find one that held together long enough to reach the dénouement. My gut feeling says this isn't it.

Somebody is responsible for those press releases....and I would very much like to find out who...

Back in the day we had users who would track things like that back to URL's and site registrations so when a scammer got busted it was a full nailed to the wall event. I wish I could remember who it was that could unearth those, but it is possible, though definitely not by me. Maybe there are some here still in the tech groups.

Ha, a far better memory than mine, good for you!

this particular subject matter really is a "Hall of Mirrors"

Yeah, for sure. The ease of access in regards to information online is a double edged sword, as cliche as that is heh. While it makes it MASSIVELY easier to get information on must about anything, it also opens the door to misinformation spread at the same speed, and often faster due to the viral effect of such things.

It really is quite easy to build a persona, a business, or a whole network of very convincing connections between sources of false information that makes them seem far more credable than they would be otherwise. They do tend to fall apart after some minor investigation (or in some cases some pretty deep investigation), but most people wouldn't bother to spend enough time for even a quick checking of the facts, so for all practical purposes, they can be pretty damn effective for their target audience.

I'm glad I am stubborn enough to dig just that level or two deeper, or I might have been misled by this tale as well.

We need more stubborn people to check the facts and spread some reality to the general public (uh...nothing personal to the general public.. :P).

At your service.

Quote saved for potential future use :P

I like your reading of this, Oldscribe. It works very well. You think it is an investment scam? In a shell company called Frantech, is that right?

I read further on in the interview:

Because that is the part we have been contracted to play, in this game. In order to "win" (or more accurately to be successful in) the Game, we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible. Service to Self in the extreme. Violence, War, Hatred, Greed, Control, Enslavement, Genocide, Torture, Moral Degradation, Prostitution, Drugs, all these things and more, they serve our purpose. In the Game. The difference between us and you, in the Game, is that we know that we are "playing". The less you know about the Game, and the less you remember that you're a player, the more "senseless" living becomes. In all these Negative things, we are providing you with tools. But you do not see it. It is not what we do, but how you react to it, that is important. We give you the tools. You have the Free Will choice how you will use them. You have to take responsibility. There is only One of Us here. Understand that, and you will understand the Game.

There is only one of us (who matters) in this game. Understand that, and you will understand the Game, the big Con. Only, what's at stake here is our suffering, not theirs. Do you recall the chess game in The Prisoner? That's what they're playing.

Very astute perspective, Oldscribe.

upswing,

It's not about money; it's about control. It's all about control.

jsbach:

It's not about money; it's about control. It's all about control.

I see that.

I'm just going with the larger born-in-a-barn aspect of this whole narrative.

When we think of Rockefeller, the NWO and the like, we typically locate that investigation in terms of great generational wealth, to which we then assign a contingent great power.

But I'm not sure why we would need to go to that place with Christs, anti-Christs, anti anti-Chrsts etc, since they appear capable of working miracles.

This seems a lot more powerful than being able to buy stuff.

I'm just wondering why we would necessarily associate great wealth with great power, when supernatural power exceeds any power that could be garnered via the weilding of great wealth...

it's hard not to conclude that the whole milieu isn't a giant hall of mirrors, full of blind alleys and disinformation...and getting more so every day....

I'll second that motion. I've been thinking about the 'interview' some more, and wondering what kind of person would write something like that? a) Someone who believes it's true; b) someone who is trying to recruit people to who-knows-what kind of negativity by promising rape and pillage as a reward for subservience, in other words, a psychopath looking for followers; c) someone who wants to see how people would react to such a scenario, either for entertainment or perhaps to test out ideas for a novel or movie; d) a trickster, like a virus-writer, who wants to do damage to the social milieu (that's b) and c) combined, I suppose. e) someone starting a doomsday cult in order to bilk people in an entirely new way. I'm not sure that's different from b, but it adds a note of cynicism. What other reasons can you think of as motivation?

LOL, yes, I agree. Pure power is always a motive. I've met people like that too, on NewsVine as well as elsewhere. That's a very psychopathic kind of attitude, imho. One other possibility is that it is some anarchist trying to get people riled up at the elites, to make it easier to stage a revolt, or some other enemy of the elites up to the same thing.

glad,

To whom are you referring? You must be patient with me, please.

Let me ask you this...what if everything said here is true, factual, accurate - what if it is going to happen as said. What would it matter to the rest of us? Do we accept our forseeable doom? Do we rally together and head them off at the pass, so to speak? What is the purpose of knowing if nothing is to be done or can be done? Is this research to debunk or is to gain knowledge? If it is the latter, my own feelings say what would it matter.

Susan, I'm referring to the person who writes this blog, about whose work Synthesis wrote his article.

What can we do? We can refuse to cooperate in any way, shape, or form, with those who are attempting to enslave us. The more we know about who they are, and about their methods, the better we can protect ourselves against them...if any of it is true at all. That's why it's important to try to figure it out. Knowledge is power, even if it's only a little power.

I've just been reading Need to Know, and have concluded that, if this was known and kept from us for all this time, there's no telling what the truth is about what's going on now, and for sure, it's not being told by our elected officials.

Glad, Syth,

We all know that the best lies always contain a kernel of truth. In the art of disinformation, the most important properties are 'slant', 'spin' and 'color'. Truth then becomes relative. The good thing about 'slant', 'spin' and 'color' is that once the direction, rotation or shade is chosen, it must remain consistant and thus becomes recognizable for what it is the more often it is used. We may not yet know what the whole truth is, but we can certainly recognize and discard what it is not. When we have finished dismantling the thing, what we will have left is that kernel of truth hidden at the heart of the matter. Then, as you say, Synth, we can determine how to fight it.

Without continued diligence, we can really start to swallow the distortions very easily.

Because we can't know what we believe is true is actually true it is especially wonderful to be among so many who have different perspectives and keep questioning all of it.

Thank heavens for all of my fellow skeptics and viners who provide an antidote to spin and a path to real answers; what a wonderful trip it has been!!

and we're glad you do!!

My reactions to your findings are simple, I felt the same way when I was unable to produce more information on Supriem and my skeptical nature kicked in. But, when I read further down in these comments I noticed your professionalism waning.

Getting miffed, suggesting that the inner circle was perpetrating the hoax, suggesting that you already proved it to be a hoax:

"which is pretty much certainly a hoax, as I've demonstrated"--Synthesis

Granted, the information produced by Mr. Penre is fantastical, but it wouldn't be the first time I have read such. Truth is stranger than fiction. Anyway........the jury is still out, on this "hoax". Besides, you can't honestly say you are staying away from his site because you know as well as I that it is in June when he will give you that "bit" of info you need concerning Supriem. So you really can debunk this one.

Otherwise you wouldn't be living up to that jouralism backround Ms. Nearing told me about.

I will not be so bold as to brand this story as hoax yet. Remember (James Sandlin will even tell you) that according to Revelations, the world will be a much different place. So when is this "change" going to occur? Why not now, why not Supriem? I know I know, you can't afford to be anywhere but on the fence. Can't be much of an investigative reporter when you go around falling for hoaxes and stuff. That's why Alex Jones doesn't talk about religion, he will lose his audience because of his beliefs. Through "my" research I have found out his screen name on his own website and compiled his comments through the years. Believe me, it is a hoot. Good stuff man. Anyway, I also know, personally, several of the "inner circle" members on Wes' site and we all had a good laugh at James' machinations concerning Wes and his disciples.

Here's my spin, Wes isn't even writing or posting this stuff anymore, it is someone else completely. The longer he puts off the info the less interested we become in the whole thing and move on. Allowing him to to keep the "heat" off of him and get away with the mur-der. How's that for solipsism?

"I am getting miffed that he's making NO mention of the whole Supriem Rockefeller debacle, though. "---Synthesis

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#1.11 - Tue May 12, 2009 8:15 PM EDT

Here is you getting miffed, notice the author domain.

"My conception as well, James."

"Do you believe the hoax is being perpretrated by Mr Penre? Or is it coming from within that "inner circle?" ---Synthesis

After agreeing with James, you asked him exactly what he just expressed to you, and you infer that I have no clue?

.....and the machinations that I refer to are as follows: (the one you agreed with)

"Mr. Penre is running is own little satonic occult blog, designed to systematically indoctrinate individuals,with the help of his disciples"---Mr. James Sandlin.....

I don't require anyone to subscribe to my beliefs. I merley ask them to keep the possibilities alive. You on the other hand are asking individuals to mind "your" beliefs and acknowledge them for what you say they are. Acording to you, this is a hoax,and you have no problem guiding individuals under the auspices of your logic.

Where I suspect nano thermites don't exist.

The next time you are curious about someone elses reactions to your research you should probably keep it to yourself. Especially if you are just going to end up telling them to @!$%# off.

No harm no foul.

Keep up the "good" work, you are helping more than you realize.

Curiosity that invites meaningful dialogue could only be seen as an opportunity to provoke an impassioned reaction that can be used to shut down said meaningful dialogue by someone who either has nothing useful to contribute or by someone who wants to stop any exchange of ideas that might shed more light on the subject. You, too, are helping more than you realize.

So its meaningful dialogue when it falls in line with your thread and a "halt" in the exchange of ideas when someone disagrees.

How convenient.

Are you suggesting that Synthesis has nothing useful to contribute and that his curiosity was an opportunity to provoke me? Cause that is how it reads.

Read it however you wish - as you will anyway. I have no intention of feeding obstruction.

I too would hind behind the cliche' of morning mist if I were you.

LOL, I know what I am, LoneFrog.

A bit of a recap here since we're using quotes to make points.

James Sandlin [#1.6]:

I've been on his recent blog and he has a inner circle of disciples on his blog that also distort and embellish Truths and Facts in a effort to support Mr Penre Positions of fantasies that have lost touch with reality, this is my position and thoughts, Mr. Penre is running is own little satonic occult blog, designed to systematically indoctrinate individuals,with the help of his disciples,It"s turned into a blog of Apostates
This is my general conception.

And from my comments at [#13.5]:

In the art of disinformation, the most important properties are 'slant', 'spin' and 'color'. Truth then becomes relative. The good thing about 'slant', 'spin' and 'color' is that once the direction, rotation or shade is chosen, it must remain consistant and thus becomes recognizable for what it is the more often it is used.

LoneFrog [#14]:

Not to mention I get responses shortly after e-mailing him. He knows me from Adam if you know what I mean. So in the midst of his Lucifer's Redemption site getting 97,620 hits in its short run he still finds time to answer my questions (and still does).

LoneFrog [#14.2]:

Anyway, I also know, personally, several of the "inner circle" members on Wes' site and we all had a good laugh at James' machinations concerning Wes and his disciples.

Here's my spin, Wes isn't even writing or posting this stuff anymore, it is someone else completely.

Thank you, LoneFrog. I believe that clears things up nicely.

Well done, and your point? Since we are not allowed to use inuendos here you may want to clarify or suuffer the wrath of the editor driven CoH.

My point is, LoneFrog, that you accuse Synthesis of suggesting that the inner circle was perpetrating the hoax and of attacking you because in your opinion no hoax has been proven, while the people who know Synthesis see the attack as originating from you. Mr Sandlin says Mr Penre "has a inner circle of disciples on his blog that also distort and embellish Truths and Facts in a effort to support Mr Penre Positions of fantasies that have lost touch with reality" and you, as either a member of that inner circle or (more likely) as an aspirant to membership in it have either used or supported similar tactics to ridicule Mr Sandlin on that blog he mentions. Then you attempt to 'spin' (one of the buzzwords of Disinformation artists, as I pointed out) the idea that it isn't Mr Penre who is now posting "this stuff" but "someone else completely." - a very poorly conceived offering, BTW, since it now makes you the one suggesting that someone is perpetrating a hoax.

But it's all really a matter of perspective, isn't it?

How did Synthetic put it? Bah...You are taking me out of context. My "spin" was a sarcastic jab at solipsism.

Here's some speculation on that. Perhaps when you posted your article, his google alert picked it up, and he has gone back to the drawing-table on that story, whether making it up or researching it.

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#16.2 - Fri May 8, 2009 10:59 AM EDT

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Synthesis

Well, Glad, I have to admit that thought occurred to me.

But I suspect that's a little solipsistic, even for me....lol!

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#16.3 - Fri May 8, 2009 5:42 PM EDT

Don't forget James also accused the "inner circle" of being Satonic;

this is my position and thoughts, Mr. Penre is running is own little satonic occult blog, designed to systematically indoctrinate individuals,with the help of his disciples,

It"s turned into a blog of Apostates

This is my general conception.

James Sandlin

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Mighty bold don't you think, especially considering that he has no idea that he is being openly Apostetic.

Read much?

As far as ridiculing Mr. Sandlin, that would be unnecessary, for he can do it far better than I ever could. He had a Gravatar of Jesus then claims to be Agnostic:

An no Ms. Carol KS I’m not Christian I am agnostic like Mr Penre.

by jamessandlin May 10, 2009 at 11:29 am

You accuse me of using tactics on him, go figure. If you wish to do so, better toe the line with supporting documentation,

Oh, enjoy all the READING you will have to do, trying to find it.

...accused the "inner circle" of being Satonic. Maybe he meant Satanic, maybe he meant Saronic; hard to say if he was calling them evil or foolishly in over their heads. I would probably used it to mean both, like using Trismegiston to refer to both Hermes and Hecate. I don't know if he is capable of anything that deep however.

...especially considering that he has no idea that he is being openly Apostetic. Maybe you mean Apostatic (heretical) or possibly Aposthetic (lacking a foreskin) - sorry, I don't know Mr Sandlin that well but one would hope that, since he is being openly one or the other, it is the first and not the last.

And yes, I can read quite well.

Great, when all else fails revert to being the "grammer police".

Good job toeing the line though. Lack of foreskin, how about lack of conviction.

Typical

LoneFrog, You don't have a clue, do you? You want to dig that hole a little deeper, go ahead.

Are you playing the "parent" now?

All I asked you to do was read.

Step up or go silent. Show us what you accuse me of.

There you go again, asking me what I think. Glutton for punishment huh?

If I'm not mistaken, all you did to confirm your hoax was to sit on your ass behind a com-pu-tor. That would be great if all we were was plugged into the matrix. However, there is a real world out there (at least until you "convincably" debunk that one) and I am inclined to think you neglected that aspect of this story. If you want to close someones mind to a concept, you may want to remember not all of us are inundated with aspartame and flouride. So you will have to produce more than a series of ones and zeroes to prove a point. You act as if this is the first time you have been pressed on an issue. Don't fret, I bet next time you'll have done the legwork, or at least we can hope.

You see, not all resistance is futile.

It was frickin' amateur hour, dude--Synthetic

My sentiments exactly, carry on with your ones and zeroes. See, that's the beauty of this dialogue, you are so convinced of your findings that you now think that the ball is in my court to prove otherwise. For starters, try getting it over the net. Why don't you follow suit with Glenn Beck and just comment on life. Be a commentator and drop this illusion of being an investigative reporter. Now, go back to sleep.

Like I said in the begining, your professionalism is waning. Dust off, get back up, and go get em' tiger. I'm sure your'e quite capable.

Fine,

If your comfortable with only covering HALF of the "story/fairy tale" then I guess I should be too. After all, we are in the domain of synthesis.

My bad. You do really good work and leave no stone unturned. Can't wait for you to enlighten us further.

You know, the darndest thing about insider knowledge is that it is only useful if it stays on the inside. Wish I could help you out there, but, that is Wes's job. Be patient. Then I guarantee you will have loads of work to keep you busy in cyber space.

I think I may have considered it earlier to develope a soft spot for you. You know, your funny and write weird things. You would be neat to keep around.

I wasn't to pleased though that you deleted one of my posts. I was like, sumbitch, but I got over it. Wasn't the ending classic? "Mr. I had a bad day" I don't know where I come up with this stuff, I kill me!

Take it easy Synthesis

Yikes,

I now see the level of pain I have caused you. When you INFER that by me saying I will come and go as I please, to mean I could do whatever I like here. Speaks for itself don't you think? ;-) Spin much?

Then to top it off, as if that wasn't quite enough. You acknowledge that PERHAPS you reacted over-harshly. Sounds a bit like the estranged wife stating that it was an accident when she ran over her husband with the car. Oh yeah, also when she backed over him, that was an accident too.

Save it. If that's what your pawning off as an olive branch then I too am disappointed. So you see, I will also remind you of your choices pertaining to your behavior.

"Isn't this just so great of me? I POSSIBLY reacted over-harshly and explained why I MIGHT have done so, then I extend my hand in peace, only to be rejected. Why...... I have written well over 200 articles in nearly three years. I have standing here and you are new. Why are you questioning me?"

Well, PERHAPS you POSSIBLY didn't have your heart in that "olive branch" sentiment either. Funny thing is though, over inflated egos have a way of justifying their behavior. Always have and always will. If I do meet Christ midway in the air upon his return to earth, I'll try to remember that, "you will still be here", and that HE probably had a good reason for leaving you behind.

When his book comes out, he should do very well and live happily everafter.

Don't do it Keith! It's a trap.

On the other hand, if you agree with Synthetics' findings, all is good.

All hail conformacy!

Oh, for a while there I thought you completely lost your sense of humor.

Whew!

Here's some speculation on that. Perhaps when you posted your article, his google alert picked it up, and he has gone back to the drawing-table on that story, whether making it up or researching it.

Solipsism rules! There's a thought for the new Utopia.

Done.

Thanks, Briwyns. Know the enemy is one of my mottos:-)

the real interesting area of inquiry is the deluded characters that surround the hoax

Indeed, that is the nub of what one wants to find answers to here. In whose interest is the propogation of these stories? What is the motive of the 'revelations'?

No doubt it was intended. Vanished, in a puff of smoke in the Hall of Mirrors. Is that why they called them 'puffers'?