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Over the Rainbow: Aerosols, Atmospheric Alteration, Aluminum and Alzheimer's

Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:01 PM EST
science, climate-change, global-warming, nwo, chemtrails, depopulation, spraying, contrails, aluminum-oxide, edward-teller, vapour-trails, welsbach-seeding
By Synthesis
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Something is happening.

When it comes to the question of chemtrails, the knee-jerk reaction of the skeptics is to dismiss them as silly rantings, while the committed opinion of those more likely to adhere to conspiracy theories is that the New World Order is using them to effect a population control agenda. As so often is the case, the truth is likely to be somewhere in between, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to ignore the likelihood that something is happening.

What we don't know is who is responsible for the chemtrails phenomenon, and what their motivations are. In this article, we'll explore some of the issues, in an attempt to provide some hypotheses. In the end, however, only you - the reader - can decide where the truth lies.

One of the most prevalent theories is that chemtrails are a relatively new phenomenon; that they can be distinguished from the condensation trails (contrails) typical of aircraft passage by their persistence. In short, contrails are said to be short-lived, while the newer chemtrails are more long-lived.

The U.S. Air Force categorically denies this point, saying in AFD-051013-001 Contrails Facts:

Contrails can remain visible for very long periods of time with the lifetime a function of the temperature, humidity, winds, and aircraft exhaust characteristics. Contrails can form many shapes as they are dispersed by horizontal and vertical wind shear. Sunlight refracted or reflected from contrails can produce vibrant and eye-catching colors and patterns. Observation and scientific analysis of contrails and their duration date back to at least 1953.

Research for this article was unable to find information validating the thesis that 'natural' contrails dissipate more rapidly than what are perceived to be Chemtrails, but in most ways, this particular distinction is pointless. That is, if the contention is that the contrails we are currently experiencing today are, in fact, causing harm, and now contain additives that do so, does it matter if we call them contrails or chemtrails? (Author's Note: it does still seem to be true that contrails can only be formed above 26,000 feet, and then only if the ambient air temperature is below -40 degrees C. Any vapour trails below that threshold, or in warmer conditions, must continue to be viewed with suspicion. See image number 5 accompanying this article.)

Studies suggest that condensation trails regularly spread out to become cirrus clouds, and are sometimes referred to as anthropogenic cirrus clouds.

Increases in cirrus coverage or decreased sunshine have been linked to jet air traffic over parts of the contiguous United States (see Changnon 1981; Sassen 1997) and Alaska (Nakanishi et al. 2001) for many years. Trends in regional cirrus frequency of occurrence are strongly correlated with high-altitude airplane fuel consumption between 1982 and 1991 (Boucher 1999).

So, vapour trails (whether they are called contrails or chemtrails) are causing increased production of cirrus cloud formations, and according to Patrick Minnis of NASA's Langley Research Center, primary author of the study we cited earlier, they have an impact on climate via something called 'radiative forcing'.

This study indicates that contrails already have substantial regional effects where air traffic is heavy. As air travel continues growing in other areas, the impact may become globally significant.

Radiative forcing is defined by MIT as being "a direct measure of the amount that the Earth's energy budget is out of balance".

Leaving aside the controversial question of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) for a moment, we shouldn't be surprised to find that human intervention via dispersal of particulates can cause imbalances, or changes in "Earth's energy budget". Also known as 'geoengineering', the concept has been discussed in science and governance circles since the middle of the 20th century.

In 1965, President Lyndon Johnson's Science Advisory Committee sounded the alarm regarding climate change. The committee's Environmental Pollution Panel wrote a report entitled Restoring the Quality of our Environment, in which they found "the climatic changes that may be produced by the increased CO2 content could be deleterious from the point of view of human beings. The possibilities of deliberately bringing about countervailing climate changes therefore need to be thoroughly explored."

More problematic, was the panel's additional suggestion that "a change in the radiation balance in the opposite direction to that which may result from the increase in atmospheric CO2 could be produced by reducing the albedo, or reflectivity, of the earth. Such a change in albedo could be brought about by, for example by spreading very small reflecting particles over large oceanic areas." The report also recommended investigation of "injection of condensation or freezing nuclei [to] cause cirrus clouds to form at high altitudes."

While the proposals for increasing the planet's albedo were rejected on the grounds of their theoretical nature and potentially dangerous effects, research into radiation management solutions never ceased, and increased in pace toward the latter portion of the century as the dire predictions of the Environmental Panel edged ever closer to grim reality. Noted 'big science' heavyweights including Dr. Edward Teller, father of the hydrogen bomb, produced research on the topic. On March 26, 1991, the Hughes Aircraft Corporation was assigned and awarded U.S. Patent 5,003,186, for Welsbach Refractory Seeding Agents, and designed to mitigate the effects of global warming as follows:

seeding the layer of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere with particles of materials characterized by wavelength-dependent emissivity. Such materials include Welsbach materials [barium, aluminum, thorium and selenium], and the oxides of metals which have high emissivity (and thus low reflectivities) in the visible and 8-12 micron infrared wavelength regions.

The patent, filed on behalf of Hughes (Delco) and inventors I-Fu Shih (optical engineer) and David B. Chang specifically mentions aluminum oxide as being suitable due to its relatively low cost, recommending particles ranging in size from 10 to 100 microns -- small enough not to settle to earth too quickly. Further specified in the patent is a seeding altitude of approximately 10 kilometers, or 33,000 feet.

The particles may be seeded by dispersal from seeding aircraft; one exemplary technique may be via jet fuel as suggested by prior work regarding the metallic particles. Once the tiny particles have been dispersed into the atmosphere, the particles may remain in suspension for up to one year.

Less than a year after the Hughes patent was issued, the National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, and the Institute of Medicine unveiled a massive 994-page study called Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base - Panel on Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming. Among its findings was the following:

the most effective global warming mitigation turned out to be the spraying of reflective aerosol compounds into the atmosphere utilizing commercial, military and private aircraft. This preferred mitigation method is designed to create a global atmospheric shield which would increase the planet's albedo (reflectivity)using aerosol compounds of aluminum and barium oxides, and to introduce ozone generating chemicals into the atmosphere. This method was the most cost effective, and yielded the largest benefits. It could also be conducted covertly to avoid the burdens of environmental protection and regulatory entanglements.

According to chemtrails researcher, and author of The Methodic Demise of Planet Earth, Dr. R. Michael Castle, Welsbach Refractory Seeding under unrestricted deployment operations began shortly thereafter, in the early 1990's.

Thought to be among those operations was one which was code-named Project Cloverleaf, initially led by the Central Intelligence Agency, and later to become a joint U.S.-Canadian military operation. Numerous figures involved in Op Cloverleaf have stepped forward to describe their participation. These insiders have included air traffic controllers, aircraft maintenance personnel and spray system manufacturing employees.

Other programs that have been implicated in the injection of atmospheric particulates include the U.S. Navy's Radio Frequency Mission Planner (RFMP) project.

Radio Frequency Mission Planner (RFMP) program, which is a system encompassing a group of computer programs. One of its supporting subprograms is know as Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation or VTRPE. This is a computer radio frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the terrain of a battlefield in three dimensions on a television-type screen. The RFMP system also depends on a satellites to supplement the images of a battlefield picture obtained from the ground, thus producing the 3-dimensional images. In providing an interactive picture portraying in the radar screen, the RFMP system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the "environment" before a war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what if?" virtual warfare scenarios on his computer screen. Since all major modes of radio frequency propagation are modeled in his computer (the RFMP system), special, sometimes counter-intuitive, cases can be examined in detail and exploited during a battle. Initially, the VTRPE computer program only worked accurately over water and along coastal areas but not over land masses because the system's radar waves required an atmospheric condition known as "ducting," over land, to operate accurately.

This "ducting" problem was solved by releasing an aerosol, a mixture of barium salts into the atmosphere over the United States. Thus, they can make an atmospheric radio frequency "duct" with a base of barium aerosol released from aircraft.

RFMP and other, even more exotic, aerosol injection geoengineering programs remain compartmentalized as 'black' projects:

"The programs remain secret because the Environmental Protection Agency and state environmental agencies need 'not know' about the by-products of the metabolites of these biological, illegal and harmful agents," said one of the researchers. "It's for that reason the combined projects have been kept secret from the citizens."

Indeed, the harmful effects of some of these geoengineering projects in general would fill a considerable laundry list, but the health effects of the Welsbach materials in particular are becoming clear, with aluminum oxide, for example, exhibiting not only intensified concentrations in soil and water, but also now implicated as a causal factor in the maladies that most characterize our 21st century lifestyle.

As background, we should begin with the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for aluminum, which gives some insight into that alloy's native hazards, and by extension, those of various aluminum derivatives, such as aluminum oxide.

Chronic exposure to aluminum dust may cause dyspnea, cough, asthma, chronic obstructive lung
disease, pulmonary fibrosis, pneumothorax, pneumoconiosis, encephalopathy, weakness, incoordination and epileptiform seizures and other neurological symptoms similar to that described for chronic ingestion. Hepatic necrosis is also a reported effect of exposure to airborne particulates carrying aluminum. Ingestion: Chronic ingestion of aluminum may cause Aluminum Related Bone Disease or aluminum-induced Osteomalacia with fracturing Osteodystrophy, microcytic anemia, weakness, fatigue, visual and auditory hallucinations, memory loss, speech and language impairment (dysarthria, stuttering, stammering, anomia, hypofluency, aphasia and eventually, mutism), epileptic seizures(focal or grand mal), motor disturbance(tremors, myoclonic jerks, ataxia, convulsions, asterixis, motor apraxia, muscle fatigue), and dementia (personality changes, altered mood, depression, diminished alertness, lethargy, 'clouding of the sensorium', intellectual deterioration, obtundation, coma), and altered EEG.

The neurotoxicity symptoms comprising the latter part of this list become even more intriguing when we consider that the role of aluminum in the pathology of Alzheimer's Disease has been suspected for nearly 100 years, when aluminum was first investigated as a mediator of toxicity by Dollken in 1897. While opinions remain divided, there is certainly a body of evidence which does point to a between aluminum ingestion and Alzheimer's - as some have referred to it, a correlation between a 20th century material and a 20th century disease.

a recent systematic review on the existing scientific evidence of the relation between Al exposure and the risk of development of AD showed that among the 34 studies selected, 68% established a relation between Al and AD, 23.5% were inconclusive, and 8.5% did not establish a relation between Al and AD.

If it's true that exposure to aluminum is a risk factor for Alzheimer's, and if it's true that our soils and air are being increasingly contaminated with aluminum oxide and other Welsbach materials as a result of large-scale atmospheric seeding projects, it provides a potential solution to the mystery of why "a rising tide" of the disease is not only claiming more victims than ever, but is now affecting younger and younger populations.

Of the half-million Canadians affected by various forms of dementia, about 71,000 — or almost 15 per cent — are under age 65, says a study by the Alzheimer Society of Canada. Of those, about 50,000 are 59 or younger.

"We know that we're finding far more individuals in their 50s and 60s who have dementia," said society CEO Scott Dudgeon. "We're talking about dementia generally, including Alzheimer's disease."

If aluminum has such a high level of neurotoxicity, is it possible that it may be a culprit in another class of mental illnesses that have become a virtual plague in modern times, mood disorders? Naturopathic and holistic health practitioners have cautioned patients against exposure to heavy metals for many years, with many of them drawing a connection between their ingestion and disorders such as Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), Bipolar Disorder, and even fibromyalgia. Dr. Raymond J. Pataracchia B.Sc., N.D., of the Naturopathic Medical Research Clinic in Toronto, says:

It is not uncommon to see toxic levels of lead, mercury, aluminum, and copper on lab test results of mood and behaviour disorder patients. Most heavy metals are free radicals that induce oxidative stress (lipid peroxidation) and have a direct affinity for brain tissue. Heavy metal free-radicals have the ability to compromise brain tissue structure and metabolism. Toxic metal imbalances are associated with mood and behavior disorders.

Heavy metals make the body's metal removing protein, metallothionein, work hard to excrete them. In the process of ridding heavy metals, this protein loses zinc which further compromises the ability to transcribe brain proteins including neurotransmitters.

Aluminum can be toxic in patients with mood and behavior disorders and, digestive pathologies...aluminum is more soluble in our acidic magnesium deficient drinking water.

Mood disorders are among the most rapidly growing forms of mental illness affecting our society today, with direct and indirect costs in the multiple billions of dollars. And worse, the cost is growing at astronomical rates. Of these mood disorders, bipolar disorder is one of the more destructive, so it is troubling to find that it, in particular, not only seems to be increasing in incidence, but with no equivalent understanding as to its causes.

The number of visits to a doctor's office that resulted in a diagnosis of bipolar disorder in children and adolescents has increased by 40 times over the last decade, reported researchers funded in part by the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Over the same time period, the number of visits by adults resulting in a bipolar disorder diagnosis almost doubled. The cause of these increases is unclear. Medication prescription patterns for the two groups were similar. The study was published in the September 2007 issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry.

Nor are other Welsbach materials free of deleterious human effects, and some, like Barium, are notable for their non-human environmental effects and characteristics. In one report, the World Health Organization advised that "soluble barium and suspended particulates can be transported great distances in rivers, depending on the rates of flow and sedimentation. In the absence of any possible removal mechanisms, the residence time of barium in aquatic systems could be several hundred years". The WHO further noted that "barium directly affects the physico-chemical properties as well as the infectivity of several viruses and their ability to multiply. It also affects the development of germinating bacterial spores and has a variety of specific effects on different microorganisms, including
the inhibition of cellular processes.

This last observation provides strong support for the contention of the documentary What in the World are They Spraying, which found a direct relationship between chemtrail activity and degraded plant growth and sustainability. It is also of more than passing interest that companies such as Monsanto are conducting research into the development of genetically modified plants that possess greater resistance to the toxicity of heavy metals such as aluminum.

A new generation of genetically engineered (GE) crop research aims to alleviate these pressures through the improvement of subsistence crops—such as cassava, sorghum, and millet—that incorporate traits such as tolerance to drought, water, and aluminum in soils as well as plants with more efficient nitrogen and phosphorus use.

Given what we've found in researching this article, it seems likely that Welsbach seeding is being experimented with as a means of mitigating greenhouse effects. It seems equally probable that these efforts are being conducted on an extremely large scale, as is recommended by most of the studies that proposed its use. But, given what we've learned about the numerous ill-effects listed here related to the Welsbach materials, how could those responsible for those programs possibly justify the trade-off? Why would they go to such limits to circumvent environmental and public health regulations, even given the dire nature of the perceived climate threat? Doesn't it constitute killing the patient to treat it?

Perhaps.

Then again, if the proponents of the New World Order (NWO) population reduction hypothesis are correct, there would be few more effective methods for instituting a global method of gradual homicide. As we've found, the chemtrail/seeding method is not only capable of injecting lifespan-limiting diseases into the population, but simultaneously impacts the cognitive abilities of those subject to the process while impairing the ability of those without access to seeds modified by international corporations to sustain themselves.

Still, the goal of this article is not to evaluate the veracity of the NWO population control hypothesis, but to investigate the chemtrails phenomenon.

The subject of another article?

Perhaps.

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Synthesis

So, which camp do you fall into? Are chemtrails are loony conspiracy theory, or is something real going on?

And if it's the latter, what do you think is the intent? Global warming mitigation, or the deliberate weakening of humans and the environment, so as to enable greater control on the part of the elites?

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:05 PM EST
nearing

First comment (haven't read whole article as yet):

I observe the sky everyday for true clouds and for chemtrail-clouds. I have been doing so for 3 years or more now.

I never see Chemtrails form cirrus clouds. I do see them form ugly yellowish cottony things floating in sky and spreading.

They are very distinguishable from a true cirrus cloud though.

This is the opinion of keen my artist's eye. :~)

  • 8 votes
#1.1 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:18 PM EST
Synthesis

I wouldn't even begin to differ. What I'm reporting here is "the official story", but we all know that such stories have numerous agendas behind them.

I've tried to use nothing but the most "officially" unimpeachable sources wherever possible. That means that it's hard to find much in the way of a smoking gun....but imho, even the official sources, when taken in toto add up to a dish fishier than Manhattan Project Clam Chowder.

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:20 PM EST
nearing

According to chemtrails researcher, and author of The Methodic Demise of Planet Earth, Dr. R. Michael Castle, Welsbach Refractory Seeding under unrestricted deployment operations began shortly thereafter, in the early 1990's.

Got to get a hold of that book!

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:22 PM EST
Synthesis

Available online as a .pdf, if I recall correctly....

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:47 PM EST
The Incredulous One

Numerous figures involved in Op Cloverleaf have stepped forward to describe their participation. These insiders have included air traffic controllers, aircraft maintenance personnel and spray system manufacturing employees.

Do you have evidence to back this up? The only thing I see at the cited link is a statement from an anonymous airline manager from 11 years ago (Maybe he'll retire soon, and he can tell us everything he knows.), an anonymous airline mechanic (whose writing style is suspiciously similar to the "manager's"), and an anonymous doctor who doesn't even describe where the sample came from or what it is. For all we know, it came from some fibers pulled from a scab on his elbow. The heading is "Mechanics, Airline Executives, & Doctors talk of Project Cloverleaf". Quite an exaggeration.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 8:50 AM EST
nearing

"Everyone talks about the weather,
but nobody does anything about it."

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:47 PM EST
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Got_It?

Clear skies today in the midwest, supposed to warm up until wednesday or thursday. You'll see chemtrails on wednesday-friday before it begins to cool down.

During the events of 9/11 when all flights were grounded the temperatures nationwide spiked.

  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:19 PM EST
nearing

During the events of 9/11 when all flights were grounded the temperatures nationwide spiked.

excellent point.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:23 PM EST
The Incredulous One

Jet contrails have long been of concern, and have been researched for their effects on the atmosphere. But, it's got nothing to do with chemtrails as defined by the conspiracists of the What in the world are they spraying? video.

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 8:59 AM EST
Colorado Bob

See "Global Dimming" a PBS program. Nova I think.

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 1:09 PM EST
nearing

I forgot about that CB, excellent program that.

  • 2 votes
#2.4 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 9:34 PM EST
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nearing

if the proponents of the New World Order (NWO) population reduction hypothesis are correct, there would be few more effective methods for instituting a global method of gradual homicide. As we've found, the chemtrail/seeding method is not only capable of injecting lifespan-limiting diseases into the population, but simultaneously impacts the cognitive abilities of those subject to the process while impairing the ability of those without access to seeds modified by international corporations to sustain themselves.

This makes me, as a medical practitioner, think that all patients should be on some sort of aluminum -chelation therapy.

I will research this.

  • 3 votes
#3 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:27 PM EST
nearing

That was easy:

EDTA (EthyleneDiamineTetraAcetic Acid) is a synthetic amino acid related to vinegar. EDTA was developed by the Germans in 1931 to reverse heavy-metal poisoning from the ingestion of lead, mercury, aluminum, cadmium, and more.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:32 PM EST
Synthesis

Availability?

Also, I don't know this, but given the degree to which Ukrainian researchers have had success in treating residents of the Chernobyl area with Alpha-Lipoeic Acid (sp) (ALA), I suspect it would prove useful as well.

  • 2 votes
#3.2 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:49 PM EST
nearing

Radiation poisoning and metal toxicity are not necessarily treated with same thing.

Yes, you can order the EDTA at the link I provided.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 3:10 PM EST
The Incredulous One

Malic acid is a better chelator for aluminum. Buy some and/or eat lots of apples and sour fruit. And watermelon is chock full of the stuff.

  • 3 votes
#3.4 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 9:14 AM EST
nearing

Malic acid is a better chelator for aluminum

Do you have a comparison link?

  • 2 votes
#3.5 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 12:31 PM EST
mori

If that's true-- eat lots of sour candy-- mostly Malic acid and sugar

    #3.6 - Tue Jan 4, 2011 8:06 AM EST
    radagast

    OMG - do not just eat EDTA! Many metals need to be chelated in this way to be taken up by the body, it is a normal part of metabolism and EDTA was not invented by the Germans, it is a natural amino compound and is found in many foods. But holy @!$%#, do not overload your body with EDTA, you will leach the necessary metallic nutrients from your body and experience deficiencies in iron, manganese, magnesium, copper, zinc, etc. It WILL make you sick!

      #3.7 - Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:16 PM EST
      Synthesis

      I don't recall anyone suggesting overloading bodies with anything.

      Or even 'eating' it, for that matter.

      It WILL make you sick

      Unlike, say, aluminum oxide?

      /sarc

      • 2 votes
      #3.8 - Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:20 PM EST
      radagast

      Well you did ask for the availability of EDTA and there was interest in using it for chelation therapy.

      Actually aluminum oxide is classified as a nuisance dust by inhalation, just like sand and baby powder. Hardly the kind of toxicity that warrants chelation therapy for all patients as suggested by nearing. ingestion of Aluminum oxide is cured by drinking a glass of water. EDTA ingestion causes gastronomic distress and it is recommended to induce vomiting because of the risk of metal ion depletion.

      Check the MSDS for both.

      Before starting any chelation therapy don't you think it wise to demonstrate that the patient actually suffers from a toxic level of metals in the body? Suggesting that people should undergo this therapy simply as a preventative is dangerous. No sarc. I'm serious. As a medical practitioner, nearing should know that.

      Also the headline about aluminum and Alzheimer's doesn't jive with the decades of intensive research into Alzheimer's. It was decades ago that aluminum was shown to be found in the garbage dumps of proteins called plaques that litter the brain in the disease. Lots of stuff can be found in those plaques, including many other metal ions, but aluminum isn't a cause of these plaques. It is simply trapped there. That was also shown decades ago. Perhaps read up on the causes of Alzheimer's disease. Eliminating aluminum from your body won't prevent it.

        #3.9 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:36 PM EST
        Synthesis

        Well you did ask for the availability of EDTA and there was interest in using it for chelation therapy.

        Neither of which implies that people are planning to gobble it up in wholesale job lots. On other threads, people have discussed the effficacy and availablility of AIDS cocktails - but no one is suggesting that they whip a batch of AZT up in their basement. Lol!

        Actually aluminum oxide is classified as a nuisance dust by inhalation, just like sand and baby powder. Hardly the kind of toxicity that warrants chelation therapy

        Oh, i dunno it doesn't sound all that harmless to me, especially if being introduced to us without our consent or knowledge, and in god knows what kind of concentrations:

        Target Organs: Lungs, bone.
        Potential Health Effects:
        Eye: May cause eye irritation.
        Skin: May cause skin irritation. May be harmful if absorbed through the skin.
        Ingestion: May cause irritation of the digestive tract. May be harmful if swallowed.
        Inhalation: May cause respiratory tract irritation. May be harmful if inhaled.
        Chronic: Chronic exposure may cause lung damage.

        Perhaps read up on the causes of Alzheimer's disease.

        Please read the article:

        a recent systematic review on the existing scientific evidence of the relation between Al exposure and the risk of development of AD showed that among the 34 studies selected, 68% established a relation between Al and AD, 23.5% were inconclusive, and 8.5% did not establish a relation between Al and AD.

        I recognize that correlation does not imply causation, but 68% is a pretty high number.

        • 2 votes
        #3.10 - Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:52 PM EST
        radagast

        I should let you know that I work as a neurobiologist studying Alzheimer's. I have been to countless international meetings, listened to countless other experts and leaders in the field, presented and published much of my own work at these meetings and in peer reviewed journals. Al is not currently considered a risk factor or a causative agent for AD. The 68% correlation could mean almost anything. It seems to me that someone data/quote mined several real studies showing that Al can be found in plaques (as I mentioned above) and then assumed that this is significant in some way. Well, they are about 20 years behind the field.

        Aluminum is normally found in minute concentrations throughout the body. The fact that it is concentrated in plaques is a function of the plaques themselves not the aluminum, which is not found at abnormal levels in other areas of the patient's body. This suggests that aluminum overdose is not the culprit. Further, there are several more robust and promising leads as to the formation of Alzheimer's. A breakdown in the cellular response to misfolded proteins is implicated in several diseases including Parkinson's and AD. A deterioration of the body's response to oxidation can lead to many of the early effects seen in AD and there is evidence at a molecular level that this is occurring. If anything, oxidation caused by iron in the brain may be deleterious, but only after the disease process is under way.

        A poor metabolism, insulin resistance, poor cardiovascular health (the American fitness regime) and high cholesterol all are contributing factors. This is because of the way in which the brain interacts with the circulatory system and how the brain processes cholesterol and deals with inflammation. All of these systems must be in balance and if they are not the brain quickly loses its ability to respond to oxidation, misfolded proteins, and inflammation at a molecular level. Alzheimer's. There are also several known mutations in proteins involved in these systems which dramatically increase the risk of the disease. Much of how this occurs is understood at a molecular, mechanistic level. Aluminum does not have a role that can be detected except that it ends up as a casualty, stuck in plaques along with thousands of other ions, proteins, lipids, etc.

        As for the toxicity of aluminum oxide - sand has the same listing and is also considered an irritant to the lungs, skin, eyes, etc. I can assure you that if you were breathing in aluminum oxide dust that you would know it. It is simply a particulate and it would make you cough. It is not a hazardous substance by any stretch of the imagination.

        EDTA - I'm not so sure that everybody on these boards was not interested in actually performing chelation therapy.

        This makes me, as a medical practitioner, think that all patients should be on some sort of aluminum -chelation therapy.

        Why research the availability of something if you don't plan to buy it? I'm not an idiot. Don't treat me like one.

          #3.11 - Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:45 PM EST
          nearing

          Aluminum is normally found in minute concentrations throughout the body.

          So, what do you think the concentrations are now that it's being sprayed all over us everyday?

          Not so normal anymore.

          • 1 vote
          #3.12 - Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:47 PM EST
          radagast

          Your premise is that it is in fact being sprayed. You start from there and then fill in the rest. Except there is no proof of that except misidentified pictures of contrails. You also have no proof of toxic levels of aluminum afflicting millions of people suddenly.

          We can argue over the effects of aluminum oxide until we turn blue in the face, but without proof that we are being exposed from a worldwide, almost century long, criminal spraying cabal of evil geniuses and nefarious world leaders hell bent on wiping out half the world's population by slowly giving us a slight cough with a mild irritant for the purposes of throwing the planet into a tailspin so they can set up a New World Order...well, do I have to say that it's a moot point?

            #3.13 - Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:32 PM EST
            nearing

            Your premise is that it is in fact being sprayed.

            That's right! Hence the article.

            And if you don't think the gov capable of this, that's too bad your eyes are closed.

            Interview with Clifford Carnicom (former atmospheric scientist)

            • 2 votes
            #3.14 - Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:35 PM EST
            Synthesis

            published much of my own work at these meetings and in peer reviewed journals

            Then I guess you'd have no problem linking to some of that work in order to support your claims.

            The 68% correlation could mean almost anything. It seems to me that someone data/quote mined several real studies showing that Al can be found in plaques (as I mentioned above) and then assumed that this is significant in some way. Well, they are about 20 years behind the field.

            I think you should look into who "they" are. Dr Frisardi is hardly someone likely to "assume" significance, or to be "20 years behind the field."

            Dr. Frisardi's article, to which I linked, was written just last year, and it says, among other things:

            AD is widely accepted to be a multifactorial disease, and genetic as well as environmental factors play significant roles in its pathogenesis. The involvement of Al in the pathogenesis of AD cannot be discarded, especially when there are many reports suggesting links between Al and the Aβ hypothesis in AD. Overall, the results of molecular epidemiological investigations have suggested an association between chronic exposure to Al and risk of AD. This possible association is biologically plausible and likely to be of moderate significance and may be modified by other inorganic substances, like silica. The evidence supporting this association is stronger for exposure to Al from drinking water, compared to food. However, this association does not yet satisfy all of Hill's criteria for causation. Therefore, future studies require stronger methodological designs in order to fully test the validity of previous positive findings and attempt to demonstrate dose-response relationships between Al and AD risk. This might provide new routes to the treatment of AD that have a disease-modifying effect, as opposed to the predominance of symptomatic approaches currently used.

            Seems her mind is not as closed to the causality of this still-mysterious disease as yours is.

            Why research the availability of something if you don't plan to buy it? I'm not an idiot. Don't treat me like one.

            I said no one was planning to "gobble it up in wholesale job lots". I think I'll stand by that, thank you very much. The straw man that you erected ("OMG don't just eat it!!) is quite a distance from where you have now retreated to "plan to buy it". I am not an idiot, either, so I can detect a transparent attempt at manipulating the discussion when I see it. Fortunately, I've sparred with Gillis enough times that I can see that crap a mile away.

            And, by the way, unlike what seems to be your stance, I don't think the readers of Newsvine are idiots, either. To reiterate: with or without your intervention, I highly doubt anyone would rush out and buy gobbets of ETDA, and wash it down their gullets without knowing what they are doing.

            Sorry.

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            #3.15 - Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:36 PM EST
            radagast

            Yes, it is regrettable that I have not linked to my work, however you must forgive me if I am not inclined to give my name, address, place of business, and names of my colleagues to an internet forum on a thread controlled by conspiracy theorists.

            As for Dr. Frisardi's - from her bio on scitopics:

            Her main research interests are the role of metabolic syndrome and metabolic factors (insulin resistance, hypertension, hyperlipidemia, obesity) in cognitive decline, dementia, and cerebrovascular disease and mechanisms underlying, with focus also on the effect of different dietary patterns on cognitive dysfunction; the impact of aluminium on Alzheimer's disease and mechanisms underlying; the genetic susceptibility factors in Alzheimer's disease and related dementias; the epidemiology of mild cognitive impairment and related predementia syndromes; the relationships between dementia and predementia syndromes and depression and mechanisms underlying; the beta-amyloid and tau protein targeting drugs for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease.

            Her main focus seems to be to leave no stone unturned. Up front she lists metabolic syndrome, insulin resistance, obesity, etc. My lab focuses on these as well. She also studies the effects of Al on cognition and genetic factors, which I also study. She is not an Al first scientist, nor would I like to suggest that no one studies Al in AD. I merely stated that the overall current consensus is that Al is not a primary causative factor in AD and after reading several of her other papers I believe she agrees with me.

            The paper you cited is a review article that she wrote bringing together other papers by other researchers. The study that showed a correlation of 68% between Al and AD is not her own and was conducted in 2008. Here is the link:

            Aluminum as a risk factor for Alzheimer's

            What worries me is exactly how this link was determined. This group did not conduct a clinical study of their own. Instead they did a literature search and selected only studies that mentioned Al and AD. From those studies they determined that 68% of them showed a correlation. This does not mean, nor do they suggest, that 68% of AD cases were caused by Al.

            From the Methods section:

            The criteria defined in the Relevance Test were used for the selection of studies. Only studies that positively answered all inclusion criteria participated in the Systematic Literature Review. These criteria are: a) Is the study about AD and/or Al toxicity? ; b) Does it address potential etiological agents or risk factors for development of AD?; c) Was it published between January 1990 and December 2005?; d) Was it published in English, Spanish, Portuguese or French?

            The search in the databases and application of the Relevance Test, both to abstracts as to full texts, were carried out by two researchers independently, aiming to assure method objectivity. The Relevance Test was applied twice. It was first applied to the abstracts and, then, the articles that would participate preliminarily in the study were selected(8). After that, all full articles were collected for the application of the second Relevance Test. After the study was completely read, its inclusion or exclusion in the study was confirmed. In view of divergences regarding the inclusion or exclusion of some studies, a third researcher was consulted, according to recommendations by the Cochrane Foundation. Bibliographic, editorial reviews, or communications were not included in the Systematic Literature Review.

            Once the full texts had been selected, the information was analyzed and organized in synoptic charts, presenting the bibliographic reference. Thus, the existing experimental evidence on the relation between exposure to Al and the risk of developing AD was condensed from the results of this study.

            In my view the group of studies that were used to show a correlation were first enriched by selecting only studies that mentioned aluminum in the first place! This ignores the tens of thousands of other articles published during this time. 68% is the number of articles - not AD cases - that showed a correlation from a group of articles enriched by a selection process to include only articles that studied aluminum. We are further left to question the conclusions of the authors in the selected papers, which are not provided for us to examine. So we have to take the word of the authors of papers that we have not read that Al is correlated to AD, and we have to take the word of the authors of this literature review that they found 68% of those papers did in fact show correlation. This is problematic.

            We do not know the nature of any of the studies used by these authors to show correlation. Were they cell culture studies? Did they inject large amounts of Al into rat brains (a route that is not replicated in humans!)? Do they involve people who were shown to have an extraordinary exposure to Al as compared to ordinary exposures? We are left to guess.

            The authors then go on in the Discussion section to outline the leading causes of AD.

            Your reliance on this work to show substantial causation is problematic and the theory that Al is a leading cause of AD does not appear to be supported especially in light of the preponderance of evidence demonstrating metabolic and genetic factors.

            @ nearing: Yes hence the article! However, the article offers no evidence that spraying is being done and only hypothesizes about who and why. So your entire argument is based on ... what exactly?

            And no, I don't believe that the US government is capable of orchestrating the covert modification of commercial passenger aircraft - from every manufacturer and in every commercial fleet the world over, spanning 6 continents and 100's of governments - for the purposes of spraying anything on us, for the last 100 years. Again, we need evidence. Do you really think that the same government who runs the DHS would be capable of keeping all those aircraft designers, engineers, crew, ground crew, and mechanics quiet (again - the world over!) as they carry out their 100,000 man operation on a daily basis?

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            #3.16 - Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:52 PM EST
            Synthesis

            they determined that 68% of them showed a correlation. This does not mean, nor do they suggest, that 68% of AD cases were caused by Al.

            And I acknowledged that correlation does not imply causation.

            In my view the group of studies that were used to show a correlation were first enriched by selecting only studies that mentioned aluminum in the first place!

            Hmm. Can you be more specific about the exact academic misconduct you are accusing them of? I would also suggest the accusation extends to Dr Frisardi, since by including it in her review she is, to at least some extent, endorsing it.

            I merely stated that the overall current consensus is that Al is not a primary causative factor in AD

            Bull@!$%#. Your initial statement was much more peremptory than that. You are now waffling and backing off from your original position because you realize it's not supported by the facts. To remind you, you claimed:

            Al is not currently considered a risk factor or a causative agent for AD.

            Now you are qualifying your former absolutist statement by using the word "primary". That's a big, big difference.

            Your reliance on this work to show substantial causation

            Except that's not what I said. What I said was that it was suggested there was

            a correlation between a 20th century material and a 20th century disease

            Which is what even you have just admitted. I also said:

            If it's true that exposure to aluminum is a risk factor for Alzheimer's,

            Again, no claim of substantial causation, so please don't misrepresent my position.

            a recent systematic review on the existing scientific evidence of the relation between Al exposure and the risk of development of AD showed that among the 34 studies selected, 68% established a relation between Al and AD, 23.5% were inconclusive, and 8.5% did not establish a relation between Al and AD.

            If it's true that exposure to aluminum is a risk factor for Alzheimer's,

            the theory that Al is a leading cause of AD does not appear to be supported

            And where, pray, did I say this? You seem very fond of erecting straw men....

            From those studies they determined that 68% of them showed a correlation. This does not mean, nor do they suggest, that 68% of AD cases were caused by Al.

            Nor did I mean, or suggest they were. In fact, it could be that I correctly quoted that paragraph specifically to ensure that such a straw man could not be erected. Clearly, I underestimated your ability to do so.

            it is regrettable that I have not linked to my work, however you must forgive me

            Oh, I forgive you. But you must forgive me in return if I categorize your alleged standing as a neurobiology researcher as an irrelevant curiosity, given that such claims are routinely made by paid shills and random dingbats on the internet. Not suggesting you are such, but then we have no way of knowing one way or the other, do we?

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            #3.17 - Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:45 PM EST
            radagast

            You seem hell bent on semantics to score points and are veering quite wide of the point. You linked to a paper in order to back up your claim that Al is (may be, can be associated strongly as, was once perhaps shown to be maybe, etc) a cause of AD. I merely critiqued the paper. If all of your evidence relies on the words of someone else, then it is fair for me to assume that you share those views. Don't link to papers that you don't understand and you won't get called out on it. I'm not sure what else to say about that. I did say I worked in the field, what made you think I wouldn't be familiar with these studies or know how to read them? You seem to have your panties all in a bunch because the link you posted suggesting Al has a strong correlation to AD was torn apart. That's not my fault, I merely read it. My credentials don't need to be proven, my logic and critique stands on its own.

            I never said that anyone committed academic misconduct. Their methods were published plainly and openly. I merely critiqued them. Disagreeing with the conclusions of a study based on a critique of its methodology is not an accusation of misconduct. There is lots of science published every year and none of it is the end of the conversation on any particular topic. Now who is putting words in whose mouth?

            Plainly, Al does not cause 68% of AD cases, nor could it be said to even be correlated to that many. One would notice that if one took the time to actually read the studies that that number is based on. We don't even know how many of those papers may even be on the same clinical cases. There might be five papers on the same patient.

            The original reason that I mentioned aluminum and took issue with it is because the headline of this article, which you wrote by the way, quite clearly poses that there is a correlation. Here is what I said:

            Also the headline about aluminum and Alzheimer's doesn't jive with the decades of intensive research into Alzheimer's. It was decades ago that aluminum was shown to be found in the garbage dumps of proteins called plaques that litter the brain in the disease. Lots of stuff can be found in those plaques, including many other metal ions, but aluminum isn't a cause of these plaques. It is simply trapped there. That was also shown decades ago. Perhaps read up on the causes of Alzheimer's disease. Eliminating aluminum from your body won't prevent it.

            Now has any of what I said been refuted by those papers you linked too or does this pretty much seem to be in keeping with the field of current study? Picking apart my statement for semantics is no way to debate seriously.

            The real point to this entire seed is that there is a government plot to spray aluminum oxide over the world and the title draws a spurious and alarmist link to this practice and the formation of Alzheimer's disease based on the slimmest of evidence. Even if Aluminum was the main factor in AD, you have no proof that it is actually being sprayed. You have no toxicology reports of people who have been exposed to chemtrails, and you have no atmospheric data showing high levels of aluminum oxide dust in the air where these planes fly. Further, the spraying of anything over the world by governments for any reason is only based on spurious claims of chemtrails, which at best cannot truly be distinguished from contrails except when employing another spurious claim that they form at different altitudes or are wispy or something. The only other evidence is from one-off tests to see how supposed chemical attacks may drift in the wind and were done decades ago and were isolated incidents. From this it is hard to conclude that the practice has expanded and spread the world over for sinister purposes without further proof.

            There really is nothing more to say, unless you want to continue making semantic gotcha's. I haven't read a single poster discuss proof of anything or the evidence that backs it up. It has so far just been "wows" and "OMG that is so terrible" and links to pictures of aircraft with contrails and from that we are supposed to conclude a worldwide conspiracy is in the offing?! I don't need to rely on semantics to drive a jacknifed tractor trailer through the holes in this theory. I'm sorry if your not used to dealing with detractors, but then you better get some evidence to back up your remarkable and alarmist claims.

              #3.18 - Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:34 PM EST
              Synthesis

              hell bent on semantics to score points

              Not exactly. I am however, hell bent on the accuracy of language. If you don't mean something don't say it. Or write it. That seems like a pretty threshold requirement, frankly. I am careful with my words, as they are my business, and if you are going to engage on that level, you also will need to be clear about what you are saying.

              veering quite wide of the point

              No, I'm not.

              If all of your evidence relies on the words of someone else,

              Also known as "sourcing".

              it is fair for me to assume that you share those views

              Incorrect. That would only be a correct assumption if this were an opinion or editorial piece. Because Anderson Cooper quotes Sarah Palin, does that mean he endorses or shares her views?

              Don't link to papers that you don't understand

              And don't comment on articles you don't understand and you won't get called out on your sloppy and inaccurate language. I hope you don't defend your sloppy neurobiology research by calling your errors "semantics". I understood the paper quite clearly. The fact that you have not been unable to refute what I've said, and are now resorting to backpedaling confirms that.

              You seem to have your panties all in a bunch because the link you posted suggesting Al has a strong correlation to AD was torn apart.

              Except that it wasn't. In fact, it exactly supported everything I said, exactly how I referenced it. And, in fact, my panties are not in a particular bunch, although I am beginning to detect some preliminary bunching taking place on your end of the conversation. Perhaps because we are not magically bowing to your authority?

              I never said that anyone committed academic misconduct.

              No? You said this:

              group of studies that were used to show a correlation were first enriched by selecting only studies that mentioned aluminum in the first place!

              The methodology you suggested was used by an esteemed researcher, and a member of the associate editorial board of the International Journal of Molecular Epidemiology and Genetics is one of intentional bias. I don't think it's a stretch to characterize your accusation as one of academic misconduct. More egregious is that you made the accusation based on....what? Your Ouija ball?

              Disagreeing with the conclusions of a study based on a critique of its methodology is not an accusation of misconduct.

              No. Suggesting fraudulent selection of data for inclusion in the study in the first place (what you so coyly referred to as "enrichment"), however, is an indictment of the professionalism of the study's author, at a minimum, and could easily be inferred as an accusation of misconduct.

              Plainly, Al does not cause 68% of AD cases, nor could it be said to even be correlated to that many.

              And, just as plainly, neither of those things were stated in my article.

              the headline of this article, which you wrote by the way, quite clearly poses that there is a correlation.

              Does it, now? Re-read the article's title. Nowhere does it imply a correlation of any sort. Rather, it is a list of things that the reader can assume are discussed in the article. So, are aerosols discussed? Yep. Atmospheric alteration? Check. Aluminum? Sho' nuff. Alzheimers? Mmm Hmmm. Quite clearly, you are incorrect again.

              Now has any of what I said been refuted by those papers you linked too

              indeed, it has. You claimed, in your zeal, that:

              Al is not currently considered a risk factor or a causative agent for AD

              When, in fact, what the research I cited concludes is this:

              a recent systematic review on the existing scientific evidence of the relation between Al exposure and the risk of development of AD showed that among the 34 studies selected, 68% established a relation between Al and AD

              All your wriggling aside, this clearly suggests that in a review of the available (and "existing", implies a degree of exhaustiveness, btw) scientific evidence, conducted for the purpose assessing the risk of development of AD, 68% of the selected studies established a relation between AI and AD. There can be no argument that this constitutes Al being a risk factor. What is not quantified is the degree or severity or the risk, but what cannot be claimed - as you so rashly did - is that it is not a risk factor. You were guilty of overstating your case, which I understand the temptation to do when one is so eager to make a point - but it doesn't excuse you from a level of accuracy, a fact which I am sure you are aware if you are engaged in the field you say you are.

              The real point to this entire seed is that there is a government plot to spray aluminum oxide over the world

              Um, no. First, it's not a seed, it's an original article. While I understand the distinction is perhaps negligible to someone like yourself who has never actually written an article for Newsvine, I can assure you that there are many of on the site who expend considerable effort in generating original content for the community, and to those writers the distinction is, in fact, quite significant.

              Second, the point of this article is not at all what you mischaracterize it as being. In fact, the point was made quite clearly, for those who care to read, in the second paragraph.

              In this article, we'll explore some of the issues, in an attempt to provide some hypotheses. In the end, however, only you - the reader - can decide where the truth lies.

              Seems pretty clear to me what the point is.

              the title draws a spurious and alarmist link to this practice and the formation of Alzheimer's disease

              As we've already established, no, it doesn't.

              from that we are supposed to conclude a worldwide conspiracy is in the offing?

              That's an interesting choice of words. As I think I demonstrated by my second paragraph, you are supposed to conclude whatever the hell you want. In fact, I clearly encourage that. Unlike authoritarian regimes, their corporate enablers, or the propaganda shills who seek to further their agenda, I don't seek to tell people what they are supposed to conclude. In fact, what I do is always focused on explaining to readers why they should question what they are told they are "supposed" to conclude.

              I'm sorry if your not used to dealing with detractors

              LOL! I'm sorry, but based on what I've been through in 4-1/2 years on Newsvine, that's funny as hell. Considering that I have received visceral threats from characters ranging from extremist members of violent right-wing terror groups to members of the Iranian Basij paramilitary militia, you hardly rise to the level of 'detractor'.

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              #3.19 - Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:37 PM EST
              nearing

              rad:

              from that we are supposed to conclude a worldwide conspiracy is in the offing?

              Synth:

              That's an interesting choice of words. As I think I demonstrated by my second paragraph, you aresupposed to conclude whatever the hell you want. In fact, I clearly encourage that. Unlike authoritarian regimes, their corporate enablers, or the propaganda shills who seek to further their agenda, I don't seek to tell people what they are supposed to conclude. In fact, what I do is always focused on explaining to readers why they should question what they are told they are "supposed" to conclude.

              rad:

              I'm sorry if your not used to dealing with detractors

              Synth:

              LOL! I'm sorry, but based on what I've been through in 4-1/2 years on Newsvine, that's funny as hell. Considering that I have received visceral threats from characters ranging from extremist members of violent right-wing terror groups to members of the Iranian Basij paramilitary militia, you hardly rise to the level of 'detractor'.

              Me:

              Boom!

              • 4 votes
              #3.20 - Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:21 PM EST
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              oldfogey

              Man is playing God.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#4 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:29 PM EST
              Synthesis

              Off to run some errands and perform some administrivia.

              Will return this evening.....

              • 2 votes
              Reply#5 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 2:58 PM EST
              nearing

              yep, me too. see ya.

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              #5.1 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 3:11 PM EST
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              CL1

              Thank you for all of the info, Synthesis. Depressing and scary. Another Viner once gave me a link on a disease that causes ugly, large breakouts from the particulates (a created half/half organism (virus/transmitter?) - that self-multiplies). I don't think you mentioned this, unless I missed it. It sounds like something out of a science-fiction novel, doesn't it? ..her/his link had photos of the organism and people inflicted with breakouts - so if it's not real, somebody sure went to a lot of trouble to make it look real. Too bad I didn't mark the article for easy reference. I remember the article and the Viner, so I could spend a lot of time and go back to find it.

              The barium and metals are one thing -- but there is soooo much else in their brew, supposedly, that this is beyond creeeeeepy.

              I've read that bioengineering list up above before. I do agree that there is concern with oxygen, reforestation, plankton, etc. along with the effects of loss of ozone... but it appears that more is going on, too, possibly.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#6 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 6:44 PM EST
              nearing

              Morgellons, CL1?

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              #6.1 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 6:52 PM EST
              CL1

              Yes! ...that's it. Thanks, nearing. I'll check out the link and save it for future reference.

              The link that I was referencing was quite involved with a lot of pics. Really scary and made me wonder why something can't be done about making the government answer to us, change their 'brew' and for Pete's sake tell us what is going on with the use of those little neurotransmitters! Yikes. ;-)

              • 2 votes
              #6.2 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 6:56 PM EST
              nearing

              A damned ugly disease.

              • 2 votes
              #6.3 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 7:00 PM EST
              CL1

              Yes, and frightening. Have you read about the neurotransmitters in the chemical concoction they are using, before?

              • 2 votes
              #6.4 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 7:03 PM EST
              nearing

              No, not sure what you are talking about. Can you expound?

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              #6.5 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 7:48 PM EST
              CL1

              Oh, in my #6, the "neurotransmitters" (I'm calling them that for lack of knowing what they should be accurately called - I just remember they were microbial half bio/half transmitter) that are in the particulate chemical concoction in the chem-spray, that if I understood that other link correctly, are what is causing Morgellons? The info stated it was doctor confirmed. So, you've never read/heard anything about what I'm talking about?

              • 1 vote
              #6.6 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 11:45 PM EST
              nearing

              No, but I am interested. Do you have a link?

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              #6.7 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 11:55 PM EST
              CL1

              Oh, here I save all kinds of less important stuff, and then I don't save something like this! It'll take me awhile, but I can go back through the seeds and find it - I'll look.

              • 2 votes
              #6.8 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 12:02 AM EST
              nearing

              no problem.

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              #6.9 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 12:32 PM EST
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              oldfogey

              The Air Force Study on Intelligence gathering and use in 2025 makes me wonder why some of these procedures aren't already being used. Seems a lot more intelligent to fight wars with information rather than gunpowder. In fact, some of the proposed measures would work well in governing a large population, like a country. Or the world.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#7 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 7:06 PM EST
              CL1

              Very true, oldfogey. I'm guessing that is exactly what the purpose for the technology is.

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              #7.1 - Sun Jan 2, 2011 7:09 PM EST
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              qwqrwertfeDeleted
              MLCook

              Any metallic compound, no matter how finely ground, will gradually settle out of the atmosphere due to gravity alone. Unless it is stirred up somehow, it will come down. If it has an affinity for water, it will get rained out. A great deal of meteorite dust wafts down on our old planet every day and dust tends to aggregate (which is why we talk of dust bunnies) so even different contaminants wafting down combine to cleanse the atmosphere gradually.

              So, deliberate atmospheric seeding of any type would have to be an on-going process. Is that the claim? It's still going on? Where?

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              Reply#9 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 4:45 PM EST
              Synthesis

              Is that the claim? It's still going on?

              Yes.

              Where?

              Throughout North America for sure, and probably in Europe as well.

              • 1 vote
              #9.1 - Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:42 PM EST
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              CL1

              Here is a link to the website with the information that I mentioned earlier.

              I'm really interested in the opinions/reactions of everyone here after you have read and viewed the pics. Does this seem like credible info to you?

              • 3 votes
              Reply#10 - Fri Jan 7, 2011 12:16 PM EST
              John Galt-1207820

              CL1

              Saw the site a long time ago, you can go to album properties on the bottom of the page and change the way you see the pics.. Pics can be altered, as I am sure you know..Morgellens is real, I have seen mainstream media documentaries of that years ago, the three hotspots are calif., tex. and fla., is there a connection? l don't know.. Denver airport murals...very strange indeed, to find at an airport..

              • 3 votes
              #10.1 - Fri Jan 7, 2011 2:06 PM EST
              CL1

              Thank you, John. I had not noticed the "album properties." I do know pics can be altered, which is why I was wanting to read other's opinions like yours, and how 'real' they think this is. Every once in awhile there is a report from different areas in my state (Wa.) about someone getting a serious staph infection with lesions that resemble what is shown here. I can't help but wonder if 'they' (doctors) either don't know about Morgellons or if they are lying to us to protect themselves.

              On the Ca., Tx., Fla., ..do you know if those are by any chance prime NASA locations? ..Just curious.

              • 3 votes
              #10.2 - Fri Jan 7, 2011 2:25 PM EST
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              John Galt-1207820

              CL1

              Ca., Tx., Fla. Don't know about NASA.. It seems, from what I have read, that these are the states most covered by the trails..

              a serious staph infection with lesions

              Could be this...

              CA-MRSA
              Community Acquired Methicillin-Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus

              Seems this usually hospital aquired staph is now in the community, and has been for a few years and quite deadly.. A number of years ago, saw a doc. on 60 minutes, of a football player with it..They could not diagnose it for 2-3 weeks. They had to amputate. They have removed and rebuilt a number of gyms because of this..

              The doctors and Morgellons.. Years ago the doctors would say this....It is "all in your mind" or you have... paracitosis...

              A disease resulting from parasitic infestation

              I was in AZ last month, and took some pics of trails..I know they are not altered.. The skies were a much deeper blue when l was younger..and there were not all those trails up there either..

              • 3 votes
              Reply#11 - Fri Jan 7, 2011 4:19 PM EST
              nearing

              Great link, CL1. Looks like Synth could spent days there adding to this article or making a series.

              Too bad so many still want to look the other way and say this isn't happening.

              This is biological warfare against the People.

              • 3 votes
              #11.1 - Fri Jan 7, 2011 5:16 PM EST
              CL1

              nearing, yes, it could keep Synth busy for a long time..lol

              I've been aware of the trails for a long time, and have been looking up at times to witness the turning off and on of the trails to make patterns. I assumed they were making clouds, but hadn't thought to put a HAARP(sp?) connection behind it, or that metals, molds, chemicals, and various other substances in addition to the 'bots' are in those trails. ...Yes - it is biological warfare, isn't it?!

              John Galt -- Yes, they've been calling it MRSA. When I researched it a long time ago, I found the same as you - that it came out of the hospitals and is in the Community. There have been atleast two that died from it in my greater Seattle area. ..not very many in a ratio basis, but as you say, they might have been calling it something else --which have been my suspicions regarding Morgellons. ..Thanks for all of the info.

              • 3 votes
              #11.2 - Fri Jan 7, 2011 9:24 PM EST
              John Galt-1207820

              CL1

              High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program H.A.A.R.P.

              http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Haarp

              Not sure how long or how much you may have researched this, so l put up a link...Have you ever read a book called--- Angels Don't Play This HAARP:Advances in Tesla technology by Nick Begich? I have been aware of Nikola Tesla for many years, through my teacher at RI college. and there are very few who are aware of his history..or inventions...... What would life be like without AC/DC ? Research him..his papers disappeared after his death..is his research being used? l believe there are 6 other HAARP installations in the world, besides Gakona Alaska..

              • 5 votes
              #11.3 - Fri Jan 7, 2011 10:54 PM EST
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              CL1

              John Galt, I might have viewed that site last year, but it was good to read it again. ....Thanks.

              Yes, I've read about other HAARP locations (there might have been an overview map, too) in other links.

              That book sounds very interesting, as does reading about Nikola Tesla. Thanks for those suggestions; I made note of them.

              In the discussion above in this article near the beginning is a mention of "radiative forcing" causing atmospheric imbalances as a result of vapor trails from world-wide air traffic (as I interpret).

              What I found interesting, further down in that section, is the 'suggestion' that they might be spraying the metal particulates to increase albedo or reflectivity into the CO2 and also spraying ozone-creating agents. "..the most cost-effective and yielding the most benefits" ---but what is up, is also down.

              So, with man's desire to spread his wings (literally and metaphorically), he is polluting the skies, and causing additional cirrhus clouds. They wouldn't want to do something that made more sense, like drastically limit the amount of air-traffic - so, instead they create more clouds and add metal particulates that stay up there for one year - so that man can continue to fly more and pollute the skies.

              So, let me see if I have this straight.

              The cheapest way to allow man to continue to pollute the skies is to spray these metal particulates into the atmosphere - that will come down and be in the air we breathe and in our food and water, in a year.

              These in turn cause serious physical and mental disorders (AD, Bipolar, etc.) -- which will also be paid for by the 'people' as the particulates were. ...The bottom line... Our health and finances are being pulled away from us so that the Airline industry and other wealthy Corporations can continue to get rich with these industries (via commercial and military vehicles).

              We created an industrial mess (world-wide). I don't picture green-energy aircraft becoming popular anytime soon.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#12 - Sat Jan 8, 2011 1:03 AM EST
              etva

              Excellent article Synth -- the best I've read on the topic! Thanks for taking the time to keep us informed and help us with research links.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#13 - Sat Jan 8, 2011 11:05 AM EST
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